The Mark II and Mark III were almost identical, differing only in structural details of the forward shoulders where the jacket was located on the A tube. A total of five guns were actually built - one source says three Mark II and two Mark III, another source reverses these numbers. In most respects, these guns resembled a scaled-up version of the 14"/45 (35.6 cm) Mark VII guns used on the King George V class. These new guns were designed primarily for accuracy and regularity of the muzzle velocity, not for ballistic performance. Both designs consisted of tapered inner A tube, A tube, jacket, breech ring of rectangular external shape, breech bush located in the A tube and a shrunk-on collar located on the A tube. The A tube forging was the heaviest ever made in Britain, weighing 64 tons (65 mt), while the finished A tube weighed 45 tons (46 mt). An Asbury roller cam breech mechanism was used and it was planned to use a balance weight to bring the center of gravity closer to the breech end. The design was modified in 1939 to use a loose liner type of inner A tube. The redesign of the Lion class battleships during 1942 and 1943 prompted the development of the last British large-caliber naval gun, the 16"/45 (40.6 cm) Mark IV. This design was to use flashless powder and heavier projectiles than the Mark II and III. However, work never progressed much beyond the design stage and none were actually built. A prototype was constructed using one of the Mark III guns, but this conversion could not have been used at anywhere near the intended pressure. This prototype was relined to allow heavier and longer shells and on 13 November 1947 some 47 rounds were fired from this gun using flashless cordite propellant. These firing trials showed good wear results but the ignition of the propellant was unsatisfactory. No further trials were conducted and in "1948 approval was sought to stop development of the 16in and its ammunition and this was approved in the following year" - John Roberts in "Penultimate Battleships." Here ended the Royal Navy's long history of big gun development. In April 1945, the Admiralty set up a "Committee on the Size of Battleships" to evaluate designs for new battleships. This committee issued a report on 1 May 1945 which recommended that new battleships of about 45,000 tons (46,000 mt) should be built. In regards to main armament, the committee evaluated main battery designs of 9 x 14" (35.6 cm), 9 x 15" (38.1 cm) and 9 x 16" (40.6 cm). The committee noted that the 15" (38.1 cm) design would save not more than 3,000 tons (3,050 mt) over the 16" (40.6 cm) design and that the 14" (35.6 cm) design would save an additional 2,000 tons (2,030 mt). In its evaluation of the effectiveness of each caliber in terms of inflicting damage, the committee determined that the 16" (40.6 cm) gun was 27% more effective while the 14" (35.6 cm) gun was 25% less effective than the 15" (38.1 cm) gun. As a result of these evaluations, the committee concluded that the 16" (40.6 cm) caliber should be used for arming any future battleship. It is notable that the Admiralty put serious effort into designing new battleships so late in the war. It has been suggested by John Roberts that this was the result of having almost all of the "air minded" senior officers located in the Far East during the final year of the war and thus unable to bring their considerable experience to the late-war design conferences. However, considering that work on designing new battleships and new heavy guns went on well past the end of the war and into 1949, it must be concluded that these obsolete warships still ranked highly in the thinking of the post-war Royal Navy. The data that follows is specifically for the Mark II and Mark III unless otherwise noted. |
![]() 16"/45 (40.6 cm) gun being gauged following
a boring operation circa 1942
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Designation | 16"/45 (40.6 cm) Mark II and Mark III
16"/45 (40.6 cm) Mark IV |
Ship Class Used On | Lion |
Date Of Design | 1938 |
Date In Service
(see Note 1) |
Not in service |
Gun Weight
(see Note 2) |
266,000 lbs. (120,656 kg) |
Gun Length oa | 743.3 in (18.880 m) |
Bore length | 720 in (18.288 m) |
Rifling Length | 583.5 in (14.820 m) |
Grooves | (80) 0.131 in deep x 0.377 (3.33 x 9.476 mm) |
Lands | 0.2512 in (6.380 mm) |
Twist | Uniform RH 1 in 30 |
Chamber Volume | 34,022 in3 (557.5 dm3) |
Rate Of Fire | 2 rounds per minute |
Notes:
1) When the first two ships of this class, Lion and Temeraire, were laid down in mid-1939, it was estimated that they would complete in July and September of 1942. They were instead repeatedly postponed starting in October 1939, with the few hundreds of tons of material actually assembled being scrapped in 1942-1943, but they were not formally cancelled until 1946. 2) Balance weight would have added a little less than 13 tons (14 mt). |
Type | Bag |
Projectile Types and Weights | AP - 2,375 lbs. (1,080 kg)
HE - 2,048 lbs. (929 kg) |
Bursting Charge | 59.5 lbs. (27.0 kg) Shellite |
Projectile Length
(see Note 4) |
72.6 in (184 cm) |
Propellant Charge | 520 lbs. (235.9 kg) SC 350 |
Muzzle Velocity | AP - 2,450 fps (747 mps)
HE - about 2,600 fps (792 mps) |
Working Pressure
(see Note 7) |
20.5 tons/in2 (3,230 kg/cm2) |
Approximate Barrel Life | 350 Rounds |
Ammunition stowage per gun
(see Note 5) |
100 rounds |
Notes:
1) Propellant was to be in six bags and flashless. 2) Projectiles for the Mark II and Mark III guns were limited in length to 73 inches (185 cm). 3) APC was 6/12crh. 4) Although the HE projectile for these guns was the same weight as those used for the older 16" (40.6 cm) Mark I guns on the Nelson class battleships, they were to a shorter design, as the older projectiles were too long for the new mountings. It was intended to also issue these rounds to the Nelson class battleships. 5) For Treaty compliance purposes, the "standard tonnage" ammunition stowage was listed as being as low as 60 rounds per gun, but the actual stowage capacity was actually at least 100 rounds in all pre-war designs. Some of the late war design studies showed as much as 120 rounds per gun. 6) The redesigned mountings for the Mark IV guns could have handled projectiles up to 78 inches (198 cm) in length. Although projectile designs were not finalized at the time of cancellation, the plan was to design the best possible CP shell (base fuzed HE) that could be made to fit in this length. This shell was expected to be able to inflict heavy damage against light armor up to 3 inches (7.62 cm) thick. The APC shell would have been designed to be the same weight as this CP shell, but optimized for performance against deck armor. 7) The Mark IV guns were intended to be able to operate at pressures up to 24 tons/in2 (3,780 kg/cm2). This high pressure would not have been necessary for the planned naval projectiles, but it would have allowed special, lighter projectiles to be fired across the Straits of Dover. This would have required the use of super-charges and hence the need for higher barrel pressures. |
Elevation |
MV = 2,400 fps (732 mps) |
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2.5 degrees |
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5.5 degrees |
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9.0 degrees |
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13.1 degrees |
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18.1 degrees |
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24.2 degrees |
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32.1 degrees |
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39.5 degrees |
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40 degrees
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MV: 2,483 fps (757 mps) 43,800 yards (40,050 m)
38,200 yards (34,930 m)
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Notes:
1) These 40 degree ranges are from the three different sources listed below and may reflect differences in propellant temperature as well as wear (new gun vs. average gun). It is interesting to note this wide disparity in range for only 83 fps (25 mps) difference in muzzle velocity, which is really an indication of just how little information is available for these weapons rather than a reflection of their true ability. It does make for an interesting example of the unreliability of data for weapons that never make it past the prototype stage. 2) Time of flight for APC Shell with MV
= 2,400 fps (731.5 mps)
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Range |
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0 yards (0 m) |
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15,000 yards (13,716 m) |
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20,000 yards (18,288 m) |
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25,000 yards (22,860 m) |
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30,000 yards (27,432 m) |
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35,000 yards (32,004 m) |
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Note: This data is from "Battleships: Allied Battleships in World War II" for a muzzle velocity of 2,400 fps (732 mps) and is apparently based upon the USN Empirical Formula for Armor Penetration. |
Range |
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20,000 yards (18,290 m) |
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22,000 yards (20,120 m) |
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24,500 yards (22,400 m) |
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28,000 yards (25,600 m) |
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31,000 yards (28,350 m) |
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32,000 yards (29,260 m) |
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Note: This data is from "British Battleships of World War Two." This table assumes 90 degree inclination and is based upon theoretical calculations performed in 1935, not actual firing trials. |
Designation
(see Note 5) |
Three-gun Turrets
Lion 1939 (3): Mark II Lion 1944 (3): Mark III |
Weight | about 1,600 tons (1,626 mt) |
Elevation
(see Note 3) |
-3 / +40 degrees |
Elevation Rate | about 8 degrees per second |
Train | about +150 / -150 degrees |
Train Rate | about 2 degrees per second |
Gun recoil | 47 in (119.4 cm) |
Loading Angle | +5 degrees |
Notes:
1) The gun axes were 102 in (259 cm) apart for both the Mark II and Mark III designs. 2) The Mark II mounting was similar in design to the 14" (35.6 cm) quadruple mountings used on the King George V class. 3) Many of the preliminary designs and the 1937 draft Staff Requirement TD 60A/38 showed a maximum elevation of 30 degrees. This elevation was adopted as part of the formal Staff Requirements approved by the Admiralty Board in December 1938. The maximum elevation was not raised to 40 degrees until the 1939 Staff Requirements were adopted in February 1939. 4) Even though construction of Lion and Temeraire were halted soon after the war began, work on their six turrets continued well into the summer of 1943. 5) In 1944, a new mounting design using the Mark IV guns was begun. Designated as the Mark III, this design was never finalized. The Mark III had a number of improvements over the Mark II, including greater flash protection and single-stroke ramming. It has been speculated that these mountings would have achieved a ROF of about 20 seconds, but there is little evidence to support this figure, as no detailed design of the turrets was ever completed. At the time the design was halted in 1949, the sketches for it were in a very preliminary state and some fundamental problems such as finding enough space to rotate the ammunition from a vertical to a horizontal position were unresolved. |