This weapon was of simple construction with a thick autofretted A tube, shrunk jacket and breech ring. The Welin breech-block opened upwards. Actual bore diameter was 20.30 cm (7.992"). A note on sources: Many references state that Algérie used a longer 55 caliber gun, but recent research by John Jordan and Jean Moulin in their "French Cruisers: 1922 - 1956" has determined that she carried the same 50 caliber guns as did the older cruisers. |
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Designation | 203 mm/50 (8") Model 1924 |
Ship Class Used On | Duquesne, Suffren, Surcouf and Algérie classes |
Date Of Design | 1924 |
Date In Service | 1928 |
Gun Weight | 20.389 tons (20.716 mt) inc. BM |
Gun Length oa | 413.4 in (10.5 m) |
Bore Length | 399.6 in (10.150 m) |
Rifling Length | 319.8 in (8.122 m) |
Grooves | (60) 0.75 in deep x 0.295 in (1.9 mm x 7.5 mm) |
Lands | 0.118 in (3.0 mm) |
Twist | Uniform RH 1 in 25.59 |
Chamber Volume | 5,595 in3 (91.682 dm3) |
Rate Of Fire
(see Note) |
Cruisers: 4 - 5 rounds per minute
Surcouf: 3 rounds per minute |
Note: Planned rate of fire for cruisers was 5 - 6 rounds per minute, but in practice it was closer to the above values. |
Type | Bag |
Projectile Types and Weights
(see Note 1) |
APC M1927 - 271.4 lbs. (123.1 kg)
APC M19?? - 262.5 lbs. (119.07 kg) APC M1936 - 295 lbs. (134 kg) HE M1927 - 273.0 lbs. (123.82 kg)
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Bursting Charge | APC M1927 - 17.8 lbs. (8.07 kg) Mélinite
HE - about 18.2 lbs. (8.3 kg) Others - N/A |
Projectile Length | APC M1936 - 38.2 in (97 cm)
Others - 39.6 in (100.5 cm) |
Propellant Charge | For APC M1936 - 103.6 lbs. (47 kg) BM
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Others - 116.8 lbs. (53 kg) |
Muzzle Velocity | APC M1936 - 2,690 fps (820 mps)
Others - 2,789 fps (850 mps) |
Working Pressure | APC M1936 - about 19.0 tons/in2
(3,000 kg/cm2)
APC - 20.3 tons/in2 (3,200 kg/cm2) |
Approximate Barrel Life | about 600 rounds |
Ammunition stowage per gun | Surcouf: 300 rounds
Others: N/A |
Notes:
1) Actual projectile designations:
2) APC M1936 added a dye bag in 1939. Colors
were assigned as follows:
3) The propellant charge was in halves. |
Elevation | With 271.4 lbs. (123.1 kg) APC M1927 Shells |
Range @ 45 degrees | 34,340 yards (31,400 m) |
Range @ 30 degrees | 30,620 yards (28,000 m) |
Elevation | With 295 lbs. (134 kg) APC M1936 Shells |
Range @ 45 degrees | about 32,800 yards (30,000 m) |
Elevation | With 295 lbs. (134 kg) HE M1927 Shells |
Range @ 45 degrees | about 32,800 yards (30,000 m) |
Designation
(see Note 5) |
Cruiser Two-gun Turret
Duquesne (4) and Suffren (4): Model 1924 Algérie (4): Model 1931 Cruiser Three-gun Turret
Submarine Twin Mounting
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Weight | Model 1924: 177 tons (180 mt)
Model 1931: about 220 tons (240 mt) Model 1929: N/A |
Elevation | Model 1924 and Model 1931: -5 /
+45 degrees
Model 1929: -5 / +30 degrees |
Elevation Rate | Model 1924: about 10 degrees per
second
Model 1929: N/A |
Train | Model 1924 and Model 1931: about
+150 / -150 degrees
Model 1929: about +11 / -11 degrees |
Train Rate | Model 1924 and Model 1931: 6 degrees
per second
Model 1929: N/A |
Gun recoil | 27.5 in (70 cm) |
Loading Angle | -5 / +10 degrees |
Notes:
1) The cruiser mountings used catapult rammers cocked by the recoil forces to load projectiles while propellant charges were loaded by hand. Guns were individually sleeved. Each gun used a 30 hp elevating electric motor and the guns could be coupled together. Turrets used a 22.5 hp electric training motor with hydraulic drive and were equipped for RPC for training during the mid-1930s refits. However, RPC for elevation was not added. Shell rooms were generally below the magazines, except for some bow mountings which were on the same level. Dredger hoists from the magazines ran up to a working chamber where ammunition was transferred to the upper cage hoists which each carried a projectile and two half charges. Upper hoists ended on the outside of the guns and were transferred by swinging arms which were locked to the guns for loading. 2) Model 1929 could open fire within 2.5 minutes after Surcouf surfaced. 3) Model 1924 gun axes were 74 in (188 cm) apart while those in Model 1929 were about 104 in (264 cm) apart. 4) The weight differences are mainly due to armor thickness, which "French Cruisers: 1922 - 1956" list as follows: Duquesne and Suffren classes
Algérie
5) In 1939 and 1940, the French started the design process for the cruisers that would replace the Duguay-Trouin class. The 1939 design was known as "C5" and was for a Treaty Cruiser about the same displacement as Algérie but having nine 203 mm guns in three gun turrets. The start of the war ended all treaty restrictions and in 1940 a more ambitious nine-gun design of about 15,000 tons known as "St. Louis" was under consideration, but little more than some preliminary sketches were completed before the June 1940 Armistice halted all work. |
22 July 2007 - Benchmark
03 March 2012 - Updated to latest template
06 April 2013 - Added projectile and mounting
information, notes on Algérie and note on 1939-1940 designs