求教一个本子8寸炮的问题
嗯，也算是新人贴了……最近玩WOWS所以也掉进了战列舰的大坑最近在reddit的WOWS QA中讨论ZAO的8寸高速重弹是否史实的时候有人提过这么一个内容
The M/V was a theoretical one. between 870m/s to 920m/s with a 155kg shell with a 38kg propellant charge. Also, my data on it was extremely scarce as it was taken verbally from a Japanese Engineer with NAVJAPTECH docs.Also, to OP, about a 155kg shell being way over board on weight, you do know the standard US AP Projectile from 1943 onward in most of their late war cruisers were firing a 152kg AP Mk21 projectile right?Edit: I should also probably mention, I personally don't think it would have achieved either of those velocities based off that amount of propellant if they were using DC53, they were developing newer propellants for HA guns, such as the propellants used in the Type 5 15cm and Type 5 12.7cm guns, as well as the mixed DC30 used in the Type 98 10cm, but I'm not sure how much thicker of a barrel wall/liner it would have needed to handle the higher burning propellant.In retrospect, the US used 38.6kg of propellant to push that 152kg shell at 760-770m/s out of a 55 caliber barrel, which is why I find that velocity highly likely to being incorrect; however, as stated before, it really depends on the propellant being used especially since the US did find that Japan had access to the chemical formula for RP C/38 and RP C/40 German Propellant.
The US found a 155kg and 162kg 20.3cm shells at their testing grounds. The main difference between these shells and the Type 91's, was that the Type 91 Mod 1's had proper AP Caps. Basically, the crh6 shells were extended from their 118.85kg body /w filler with a 34.2kg APC and a 2.65kg windscreen coming out to around 155kg.They also found 128kg and 135kg proper AP shells as well, which were capable of being used by their current fleet of Heavy Cruisers, but for whatever reason the IJN never issued these shells to their fleet.
I'll have to find it, as it was in an offshoot document from Dahlgren on their Metallurgical analysis on Japanese Armor, Shells, and testing criteria and was part of a comprehensive report including the 5-47 and 5-42 series of tests. It was Captain Yagima that gave the statement on the projectiles.
原文中有人提及如果搞到SK/c34的发射药配方的话，本子那个155KG高速重弹也是可以实现的。问题是三德子在强装药+高倍径炮管+轻弹的情况下才实现了925M/S的初速，而且装药比得梅因的MK16高了不知多少。如果是搞155KG重弹的话，本子那个炮得嗑药到什么程度？
可以负责任的告诉你，嗑药的丧心病狂。http://www.warships.com.cn/thread-5947-1-1.html，根据这个帖子提供的计算方法，再已知口径、弹重、出膛速度和身管长度的情况下，可知相应的嗑药系数。代入公式计算可得，ZAO的魔法十八年式炮的嗑药系数达到了142569，不仅让MK7之流望尘莫及，甚至连以嗑药出名的意大利15寸也只能算望及项背。同比起来，莫斯科那个220毫米超电磁炮的嗑药水平已经很中庸了，“不过”是122659而已。 enigma1943 发表于 2017-2-23 18:59
可以负责任的告诉你，嗑药的丧心病狂。http://www.zhanliejian.com/thread-5947-1-1.html，根据这个帖子提 ...
手算了一把，SK/C-34那个高速轻弹嗑药炮简直良心到不知哪里去了，德梅因那个MK16更加是低到需要吃药的程度，虽然MK16的使用方式和其他的那几位简直就不是一回事 enigma1943 发表于 2017-2-23 18:59
可以负责任的告诉你，嗑药的丧心病狂。http://www.zhanliejian.com/thread-5947-1-1.html，根据这个帖子提 ...
我怎么按照wows里十八年式那个数据带进去是156826，155kg弹重 920初速 50倍 8寸口径 你是不是把倍径算成55倍了 这种魔法世界有啥好玩的?说游戏性这游戏的外挂弄得沸沸扬扬,
本着收集船模的目的去倒是可以 220mmСМ-40 发表于 2017-3-15 20:47
我怎么按照wows里十八年式那个数据带进去是156826，155kg弹重 920初速 50倍 8寸口径 你是不是把倍径算 ...
LESTA的人说法，他们是按照55寸炮来建模…
顺便你是SEA－GROUP的TAKE？ 流浪的王子猫 发表于 2017-3-23 00:25
LESTA的人说法，他们是按照55寸炮来建模…
顺便你是SEA－GROUP的TAKE？
我并不是
你说毛子按照55倍径建模？好诡异，游戏里给出的是50倍，建模55倍。建模和策划撕逼系列，就像CG中大和的电探和游戏里的一样。 220mmСМ-40 发表于 2017-3-23 22:51
我并不是
你说毛子按照55倍径建模？好诡异，游戏里给出的是50倍，建模55倍。建模和策划撕逼系列，就像CG ...
https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/5wiykv/interview_with_lestas_paper_ships_design_bureau/
Interview with Lesta's "Paper ships design bureau" representative.
How did you design IJN T10 CA Zao?
We had to design gun from scratch, because there weren't 203/55 guns in Japan. Make internal ballistics calculation and check pressure. As a prototype we took Tone, to be exact - her theoretical blueprint and ship armouring approach. 220mmСМ-40 发表于 2017-3-23 22:51
我并不是
你说毛子按照55倍径建模？好诡异，游戏里给出的是50倍，建模55倍。建模和策划撕逼系列，就像CG ...
https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/5wiykv/interview_with_lestas_paper_ships_design_bureau/
Interview with Lesta's "Paper ships design bureau" representative.
How did you design IJN T10 CA Zao?
We had to design gun from scratch, because there weren't 203/55 guns in Japan. Make internal ballistics calculation and check pressure. As a prototype we took Tone, to be exact - her theoretical blueprint and ship armouring approach.
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