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1916年威廉·墨菲特高速战舰案

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发表于 2015-8-31 15:47 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式



米国海军航空兵之父威廉·墨菲特将军,年轻时是著名参议员提尔曼的好基友。

提尔曼在1916年提出超级战舰提案时,墨菲特参与了其前期论证,并撰有以下文章。

原文引自:








"BUILD THE LIMIT."

[By Commander W. A. Moflett, United States Navy.)


The history of modern battleship construction shows that their displacement has steadily increased. Our first battleship, represented by the Oregon, displaced 10,300 tons; the next, the Kentucky class, 11,500; the Maine class, 12,500; the Georgia class, 14,900; the Connecticut class, 16,000, etc., increasing at an average rate of about 1,000 tons a year.


There has been constant endeavor to keep the displacement down, for obvious reasons, cost principally, of the individual ship; docking facilities, draft of harbors, as well as supposed, if imaginary, tactical advantages. The designers of each nation strive, on a given displacement, to outstrip all others in turning out the best all-round ship, but the inexorable limit of displacement has invariably resulted m compromises, each nation turning out what it considered best, sacrificing one element to another, speed to guns, endurance, armor protection, etc.


There were, and are, schools in our own Navy as well as in others that opposed increasing displacement, but each year has seen displacement steadily increasing, none the less. The first radical increase came with the Dreadnaught from 16,000 to 20,000 tons. Up to this time the constructors of the world, including pur own, fondly imagined that the standard type of battleship had been reached in a ship of about 16,000 tons, 18 knots speed, main battery of four 12-inch guns, in two center-line turrets, intermediate battery of 6-inch guns, and 3-inch guns for torpedo defense, represented by our Connecticut. They were aroused from their false security by the thinking, practical men of the British Navy, who brought forward the epoch-making Dreadnaught, making a bold increase of 4,000 tons in displacement and 2 knots in speed. Our own Navy had an inspiration about this time and our designers gave us the South Carolina class, all big-gun- ships and turrets on midship line—notable above all else for this last-named feature, which was ultimately followed by all other designers.


The Dreadnaught immediately scrapped all other battleships, in the British as well as in all other navies. This is where Great Britain's rivals, especially Germany, had their great opportunity. They should have promptly scrapped their old ships and spent all their available money for battleships that would outbuild the Dreadnaught. We did, in a half-hearted way, and have continued to do so since, but not boldly. We are, and have been, too conservative. We have, since the DreadnaugTit, and like all other nations, steadily increased the displacement, and in the last few years have actually had the courage to go beyond Great Britain in displacement, so that we have the Pennsylvania class, actually larger by 4,000 tons than the latest ship by the British, and it is reported in the newspapers that the General Board has even recommended ships as large as 36,000 tons.


England's reasons for not wishing, to increase the displacement of her battleships beyond what it is are obvious enough. She had a bad scare after the Dreadnought's design became public, and found Germany laying down many ships of equal and larger displacement, and she lost no time in outbuilding her in numbers in these then large ships. She does not want this experience duplicated. She has the largest navy in the world, and realizes that it is a practicable impossibility for any other nation to catch up with her as long as they confine themselves to ships of the same size as her own.


On account of cost, docking, draft of harbors, and other supposed good reasons, as well as the long exploded and farmer-like argument of "too many eggs in one basket," the designers of all navies have attempted to keep down the displacement and to crowd into the limited displacement the maximum of elements that go to make an efficient battleship. But one element or another has always had to be sacrificed, and to date this has been principally speed. As a rule the caliber of the guns of the main battery, especially since the allbig-gun battleship idea, has been near the limit of the mechanical arts at the time; also the amount of armor protection has not been sacrificed. The consumption of displacement for speed increased in such a rapid ratio that designers all gave pause, and stopped near 21 or 22 knots. However, the yearning to get speed would not down, and resulted in the battle cruiser, where armor and the number of guns were sacrificed to speed. But the inexorable demand for the battleship possessing all desirable elements steadily increases, resulting in increased displacement, except in the case of Great Britain, whose reasons against it are well taken—from her standpoint.


Why not take a lesson from historv and frankly decide what we want, what characteristics a battleship should have, what speed, endurance, battery, armor, etc., it should have, and then build it regardless of displacement? Is it not fair to assume, nay, is it not certain, that if battleships' displacement has increased from 10,000 tons in 1896 to 32,000 tons in 1916 that it will continue to do so until the limit is reached? Why not go the limit at once 1 By so doing, we scrap the battleships of every navy in the world, and by spending the money we would spend on smaller ships we build a smaller number of vessels, but the most powerful fleet in the world.


Other navies would have to follow our example and build ships like ours or give up the competition. We could stand the cost better than any other nation. It is therefore an advantage to us to make navies cost as much as possible. We have more money than any other nation and will have more, comparatively, at the close of the war, when most of them will be bankrupt. It is therefore to our advantage to make individual ships cost more.


The limit for us in the size of battleships is the Panama Canal locks. It is also the limit for any power that might go to war against us, for none would sacrifice the advantage of being able to send its fleet through the canal. The limit, therefore, of displacement for our battleships is within 1,000 feet in length and 110 feet in beam, the dimensions of the Panama Canal locks. Let us, therefore, go the limit at once, while we have the opportunity to do it, ahead of all our rivals and build the limit at the same time in everything; that is to say, in speed, caliber of guns, endurance, fuel, and ammunition, etc.


In regard to speed, some may urge that the highest practicable speed is unnocessarily'high. Not long ago 16 knots in battleships was considered ample and 26 knots in destroyers. Now 21 knots is the minimum for battleships and 30 knots for destroyers and battle cruisers. Why not go as high as the mechanical arts will permit?


Go the limit, too, in caliber of guns. It is said, "Build a gun no larger, in caliber, than necessary." But who can say what is "necessary"? Only a few years ago the 12-inch gun was amply "necessary" in the opinion of most people. To-day the 15-inch gun does not seem to. be large enough, and even we are contemplating putting 16-inch guns on our battleships. The newspapers report 17-inch guns going on German ships. Fourteen or sixteen inch guns may be as large as "necessary," but who, being engaged with an enemy equal in other respects, would not prefer to have a battery with larger caliber than one's adversary? And if you had also superior speed, how much greater the advantage.


One great but seldom mentioned advantage of the large ship, as compared with the smaller, is as a gun platform, especially at high speed and in a rough sea. At 18 knots in a moderate sea the 16,000-ton ship can hardly fire her turret guns, and she rolls and pitches to such an extent that her chances of hitting are small. The 27,000-ton ship is, under the same conditions and even at higher speed, comparatively steady, and her guns can be fired more effectively. But the 60,000ton ship will hardly know she is at sea, and while her 27,000-ton rivals are trying to get the range and fire on the roll she will be as steady as a church and as regularly making salvo hits.


Finally, but for us of greatest importance, the political side. The average American, the man in the street, may be ignorant, of naval affairs, but one thing every American wants and knows he wants—that is, to see his country first. For years he has believed she was first in everything. Recently he has had a rude awakening, at least as far as the Navy is concerned. But still, each in his heart feels that our Navy should be first and hopes that in some way it may be made so.


There is but one way, and that is by building the limit in size of battleships. Build a smaller number if Congress will not give us what the Navy asks for—even one-half the number as would be built of 32,000 or 36,000 tons. In this way we will scrap England's navy, as well as all others. In no other way can we ever hope to have the first navy in the world—in no other way can we hope to overtake Great Britain. Money is force if properly and wisely used. We have more money than any other nation, and therefore more force. Let us use it. We can afford it. No other nation can.


Build the limit in displacement, in speed, in caliber of guns, with proper proportion of fuel and ammunition endurance, etc., and we will have, indeed, the first real superdreadnaught, of approximately the following dimensions:


Length over all ——feet——995
Length between perpendiculars —— 975
Beam —— 105
Draft —— 32
Speed, maximum ——knots——35-36
Endurance at maximum speed ——hours—— 72
Estimated horsepower —— 250, 000
Total displacement 'tons —— 60,000

Battery:
Ten 18-inch B. L. R.
Sixteen 6-inch R. F. G.
Antiaircraft guns.
Antisubmarine guns.
Saluting battery, ete.
Four submerged torpedo tubes.

Can anyone doubt that a fleet of such ships would incomparably better defend our coast and more quickly seek out and smash the enemy's fleet than any number of smaller ships?



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 楼主| 发表于 2015-8-31 16:52 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 LeSoleil 于 2015-8-31 17:22 编辑

SPS一个。速度赶不上,设想太超前。另外10门主炮和提尔曼的15门主炮都是米国式偏执。4座双联足够了。省下吨位加防护。

Moffett, U.S. Battleship 下水 1919 (引擎 1924)

排水量:
        56,980 吨 空载; 60,000 吨 标准; 61,687 吨 正常; 63,037 吨 满载

尺寸: 长 (总长 / 水线长) x 宽 x 吃水 (正常/最大)
        (995.00 英尺 / 975.00 英尺) x 105.00 英尺 x (32.00 / 32.60 英尺)
        (303.27 m / 297.18 m) x 32.00 m  x (9.75 / 9.94 m)

武器:
      10 - 18.00" / 457 mm 45.0 倍径 火炮 - 2,940.86磅 / 1,333.95千克 炮弹, 100 每门炮
          后装炮 安装装甲炮座的旋转炮塔, 1919 Model
          2 独立3联炮座 在中线均匀分布
          2 独立双联炮座 在中线均匀分布
                2 抬高的炮座
      16 - 6.00" / 152 mm 50.0 倍径 火炮 - 114.33磅 / 51.86千克 炮弹, 150 每门炮
          后装炮 炮郭炮座, 1919 Model
          16 单个炮座 在舷侧均匀分布
      船侧重量 31,238 磅 / 14,169 kg

装甲:
   - 装甲带:                厚(最大)        长(平均)                高(平均)
        主体:        12.0" / 305 mm        600.00 英尺 / 182.88 m        17.00 英尺 / 5.18 m
        艏艉:        未装装甲
          主装甲带覆盖 95% 正常长度
          主装甲带倾斜度 18.00 度(向内为正)

   - 防鱼雷隔舱 - 加强结构舱:
                4.00" / 102 mm        600.00 英尺 / 182.88 m        35.00 英尺 / 10.67 m
        鱼雷舱壁之间宽 95.00 英尺 / 28.96 m

   - 火炮装甲:        正面 (最大)        其他 炮室 (平均)        炮座/输弹机 (最大)
        主体:        15.0" / 381 mm        6.00" / 152 mm                15.0" / 381 mm
        第二组:        4.00" / 102 mm        4.00" / 102 mm                      -

   - 装甲甲板-单甲板:
        前后甲板: 5.50" / 140 mm
        首楼: 0.00" / 0 mm  尾甲板: 4.50" / 114 mm

   - 指挥塔前部 15.00" / 381 mm, 后部 0.00" / 0 mm

机械:
        燃油锅炉, 蒸汽轮机,
        电传动, 4 轴,, 250,207 轴马力 / 186,655 Kw = 32.61 节n        航程 8,000海里 在 10.00 节
        最大排水量下的燃料库 = 3,037 吨

人员:
        1,956 - 2,544

花费:
        £13.056 百万 / $52.225 百万

在正常排水量下的权重分配:
        武器: 5,823 吨, 9.4%
           - 火炮: 5,823 吨, 9.4%
        装甲: 21,172 吨, 34.3%
           - 装甲带: 5,166 吨, 8.4%
           - 防鱼雷舱壁: 3,108 吨, 5.0%
           - 军备: 5,484 吨, 8.9%
           - 装甲甲板: 6,910 吨, 11.2%
           - 指挥塔: 505 吨, 0.8%
        机械: 8,241 吨, 13.4%
        船体,配件和设备: 21,743 吨, 35.2%
        燃料,弹药和补给: 4,707 吨, 7.6%
        其他重量: 0 吨, 0.0%

整体的生存力和适航性:
        生存性 (击沉船只所需要的非致命贯穿炮弹):
          69,310 磅 / 31,439 K千克 = 23.8 18.0 " / 457 mm 炮弹或者 9.7 鱼雷
        稳性 (如果低于1.00为不稳定): 1.07
        稳心高 6.2 英尺 / 1.9 m
        横摇周期: 17.7 秒
        坚固性        - 作为火炮平台 (平均值=50 %): 47 %
                        - 反冲效应(如果反冲效应大于1.00): 1.05
        海船质量 (平均值 = 1.00): 1.00

船型特征:
        船体有一个平甲板,
          一个普通船首 和圆形船尾
        方形系数(正常排水量/水线长。宽。吃水)): 0.659 / 0.661
        长宽比: 9.29 : 1
        '船长的自然速度: 31.22 节
        在极速下消耗于波浪形成的动力: 50 %
        调整 (最大稳定性=0,最大坚固性=100): 44
        首舷角 (船头朝前为正): 29.05 度
        船尾外伸: 0.00 英尺 / 0.00 m
        干舷 (% = 甲板长度所占水线长度的比例):
                                前段,         后端
           - 首楼:        25.00%,  36.00 英尺 / 10.97 m,  26.00 英尺 / 7.92 m
           - 前甲板:        30.00%,  26.00 英尺 / 7.92 m,  22.00 英尺 / 6.71 m
           - 后甲板:        25.00%,  22.00 英尺 / 6.71 m,  22.00 英尺 / 6.71 m
           - 船尾甲板:        20.00%,  22.00 英尺 / 6.71 m,  26.00 英尺 / 7.92 m
           - 平均干舷:                25.00 英尺 / 7.62 m

船舶空间、强度和评论:
        空间        - 船体水下部分 (弹药舱/机械舱,越低越好): 94.1%
                - 水上部分(生活空间/工作空间,越高越好): 177.7%
        水线面积: 79,046 平方英尺或 7,344 平方米
        排水量系数(排水量/装载量)): 95%
        船体结构重量/表面积: 246 l磅/平方英尺或者 1,202 千克/平方米
        ):船体强度(相关的)):
                - 横向: 1.08
                - 纵向: 0.98
                - 全部: 1.00
        足够的机械,存储,舱室空间
        优秀的住宿和工作空间



「置酒上方,烽火未熄,望风樯战舰,在烟霭间,慨然尽醉。」

一等兵

十年服役纪念章

发表于 2015-9-1 09:03 | 显示全部楼层
对于1920年之前的技术,能造如此巨大的战舰,深表怀疑。
船坞、码头、吊车,结构强度,都是问题。尤其是动力部分。要达到25万马力,不是机组简单堆叠就行的。

列兵

八年服役纪念章

发表于 2015-9-1 09:30 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
这吨位大过头了吧

一等兵

十年服役纪念章

发表于 2015-9-2 18:00 | 显示全部楼层
有相关的设计图纸嘛

中士

十一年服役纪念章

发表于 2015-9-2 23:31 | 显示全部楼层
funk1999 发表于 2015-9-1 09:03
对于1920年之前的技术,能造如此巨大的战舰,深表怀疑。
船坞、码头、吊车,结构强度,都是问题。尤其是动 ...

在那个1920年前船坞,码头,吊车,火炮都不是问题,不过动力系统压力大点,不过齿轮减速汽轮机一战前已经实用,而美国的电推也有了,实在不行就像诺曼底级一样6台汽轮机发电,4台电机推动

一等兵

十二年服役纪念章

发表于 2015-9-5 14:56 | 显示全部楼层
我觉得吨位倒不是问题,毕竟1912年的“泰坦尼克”号都上5万吨了,到1916年建造6万吨的船也不是什么太困难的事。可在1916年这位设想的技术指标能达到嘛?别忘了25年后的“大和”级以6万4千吨的标准排水量也不过才9门18寸炮和27节的速度。

一等兵

十年服役纪念章

发表于 2015-9-6 08:59 | 显示全部楼层
沼泽 发表于 2015-9-2 23:31
在那个1920年前船坞,码头,吊车,火炮都不是问题,不过动力系统压力大点,不过齿轮减速汽轮机一战前已经 ...

真正实用的减速齿轮是美国30年以后才实用的,难点不是技术,而是材料和工艺。之前流行的都是帕森斯汽轮机。当时马力最大的机组就是列克星敦的电力推进,重量一般双倍还多。以当时技术,除了电力推进,就是堆叠更多机组和小水管锅炉,一样重量、体积惊人。

列兵

九年服役纪念章

发表于 2015-9-10 13:48 | 显示全部楼层
hxfssl 发表于 2015-9-5 14:56
我觉得吨位倒不是问题,毕竟1912年的“泰坦尼克”号都上5万吨了,到1916年建造6万吨的船也不是什么太困难的 ...

呃……民用船只和军用的建造标准不太一样吧

二等兵

十年服役纪念章

发表于 2017-4-5 17:58 | 显示全部楼层
沼泽 发表于 2015-9-2 23:31
在那个1920年前船坞,码头,吊车,火炮都不是问题,不过动力系统压力大点,不过齿轮减速汽轮机一战前已经 ...

电推跑得慢,新墨西哥就是铁王八
本机体携带“Mk.82”核弹头,弹头到达距离短于波及范围半径

上士

六年服役纪念章杰出服役十字勋章

发表于 2017-4-5 18:02 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
cl1208 发表于 2017-4-5 17:58
电推跑得慢,新墨西哥就是铁王八

不一定,列克星敦也是电推,照样18万马力33节

二等兵

八年服役纪念章

发表于 2017-4-5 21:58 | 显示全部楼层
一名过路群众 发表于 2015-9-10 13:48
呃……民用船只和军用的建造标准不太一样吧

船体的施工是一样的,是设计不同

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