As a result of this purchase, eight 4.7"/50 (12.7 cm) Armstrong/Elswick guns wound up in USN service where they were designated as the Mark 3. These guns were not well liked in the USN as they used non-standard ammunition and spare parts. For those reasons, in 1903 they were replaced on the two cruisers with 5"/50 (12.7 cm) guns. In 1907 the removed guns were emplaced in the Philippines on Grande Island and at the mouth of the harbor at Subic Bay. One gun made its way back to Britain where it was used on the armed yacht HMS Eileen during World War I. Constructed of tube, jacket, four hoops and was hooped from breech to muzzle. Actual bore length was 48.9 calibers. Known as "large case" guns, apparently to distinguish them from earlier "small case" guns, described below. Nomenclature Notes: The USN purchased two 4.7"/47 (12 cm) Mark 1 and one 4.7"/42 (12 cm) Mark 2 "small case" guns from Vickers & Sons in the 1890s, apparently for evaluation purposes. There were two other 4.7" (12 cm) guns, designated as Mark 4 and apparently obtained shortly after 1906, but no details survive. All of these guns were "surveyed and condemned" sometime prior to 1924. The USN also purchased a number of 4.7"/27.5 (12 cm) Model 1906 M.I. land guns for the Marines. The US Army purchased similar guns for use in the "Endicott" series of Coastal Fortifications. Actual bore diameter of all British 4.7" guns was 4.724" (12 cm). The details that follow are specifically for the 4.7"/50 (12 cm) Mark 3 guns as used in USN service, but the guns on Brazilian and Chilean ships should be identical. |
![]() Protected Cruiser New Orleans (ex-Amazonas)
in 1898 as purchased
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![]() Army 4.7" (12 cm) Armstrong gun Serial
Number 9718 formerly emplaced at Fort Pickens, Florida and now a Memorial
in Danielsville, Georgia
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![]() Rear view of above gun
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Designation | 4.7"/50 (12 cm) Mark 3 |
Ship Class Used On | USA: New Orleans Class Protected
Cruisers (later PG-34 and PG-36, later still CL-22 and CL-23)
Brazil: Almirante Barroso Chile: Ministro Zenteno |
Date Of Design | about 1895 |
Date In Service | 1898 |
Gun Weight | about 2.1 tons (2.2 mt) |
Gun Length oa | 236.2 in (m) |
Bore Length | 231.1 in (4.801 m) |
Rifling Length | N/A |
Grooves | N/A |
Lands | N/A |
Twist | N/A |
Chamber Volume | N/A |
Rate Of Fire | about 5 - 6 rounds per minute |
Type | Separate |
Projectile Types and Weights
(see Note) |
Common, AP, HE, CP, Shrapnel - 45 lbs. (20.4 kg) |
Bursting Charge | Common - 6.84 lbs. (3.1 kg)
Others - N/A |
Projectile Length | N/A |
Propellant Charge | N/A |
Muzzle Velocity | about 2,215 fps (675 mps) |
Working Pressure | N/A |
Approximate Barrel Life | N/A |
Ammunition stowage per gun | N/A |
Note: This table assumes that standard British projectiles were imported for these guns. |
Elevation | With 45 lbs. (20.4 kg) HE Shell |
Range @ 20 degrees | about 9,900 yards (9,050 m) |
Designation | Single CP type Mounts
New Orleans Third Class Cruisers (4) |
Weight | about 8 tons (8.1 mt) |
Elevation | -3 / +20 degrees |
Elevation Rate | Manually operated, only |
Train | N/A |
Train Rate | Manually operated, only |
Gun recoil | N/A |
24 January 2008 - Benchmark
03 January 2008 - Corrected number of
Mark 3 guns in US service
30 April 2013 - Added pictures of Danielsville
gun