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关于夜间如何保持舰艇编队的疑问。

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发表于 2016-1-25 13:00 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
盟军护航队经常有20艘以上各种类型的舰船,在保持无线电静默和灯火管制的情况下,夜间是如何保持编队的?

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发表于 2016-1-25 13:21 | 显示全部楼层
灯火管制不包括航行灯的吧?

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 楼主| 发表于 2016-1-25 14:18 | 显示全部楼层
史东 发表于 2016-1-25 13:21
灯火管制不包括航行灯的吧?

应该包括,要是开着航行灯那就相当于把所有运动参数告诉潜艇了。

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发表于 2016-1-25 15:10 | 显示全部楼层
这就过于极端了。潜艇没上门,护航队自己先撞成一团。
网上有一些参加过索马里护航队的商船船员回忆文章,不包括。

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十二年服役纪念章

发表于 2016-1-25 15:39 | 显示全部楼层
比如对马的鱼雷之夜,俄国舰队是开航行灯的,只是会用遮光罩限制可以观察到灯光的角度。

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 楼主| 发表于 2016-1-25 15:52 | 显示全部楼层
史东 发表于 2016-1-25 15:10
这就过于极端了。潜艇没上门,护航队自己先撞成一团。
网上有一些参加过索马里护航队的商船船员回忆文章, ...

索马里护航队都不需要反潜,也不需要灯火管制,更不需要无线电静默。

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发表于 2016-1-25 16:12 | 显示全部楼层
企鹅骑士 发表于 2016-1-25 15:52
索马里护航队都不需要反潜,也不需要灯火管制,更不需要无线电静默。

http://www.shipman.org.cn/thread-320206-1-1.html

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十二年服役纪念章

 楼主| 发表于 2016-1-25 18:36 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 企鹅骑士 于 2016-1-25 18:37 编辑

在现在用灯光和无线电静默航行来反海盗?除了自己作死没有别的解释了,太危险了。撞船不说,万一船上偷偷上了人,想打开无线电呼救都来不及。
那篇文章说他们遇到一艘速度18.5节的船,他们说那船是蜗牛?巡航速度18.5节叫慢?作者还说他们速度比那船快6节,那就是24.5节了,不知道指的是他们当时的巡航速度还是他们船的极速,可是什么民用货船能到24.5节啊?

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八年服役纪念章

发表于 2016-1-25 20:17 | 显示全部楼层
企鹅骑士 发表于 2016-1-25 18:36
在现在用灯光和无线电静默航行来反海盗?除了自己作死没有别的解释了,太危险了。撞船不说,万一船上偷偷 ...

MSK有,集装箱货轮,超24节

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发表于 2016-1-26 23:06 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 史东 于 2016-1-26 23:14 编辑

以下是1942年版《WARTIME INSTRUCTIONS FOR UNITED STATES MERCHANT VESSELS》的一部分,我先贴上,再细看。

Section 4. DARKENING SHIP
2401. When in areas in which submarines, raiders, or aircraft are likely to be met, vessels are to be carefully darkened from sunset to sunrise, and are to proceed without navigational lights.

2402. Navigational lights are not to be exhibited except in areas explicitly designated by the routing instructions. When exhibited dimmed navigation lights consisting of sidelights visible 1 mile land a single masthead light visible 2 miles are to be shown.

2403. Arrangements are to be made by which the navigational lights can be shown temporarily in case of necessity. To enable this to be done effectively and with a minimum of danger, the following should be carried out:
  • In ships fitted with electricity, circuits are to be so arranged as to permit the lights required being turned on or off together from the bridge.
  • In ships fitted with oil lamps only, convenient shutters are to be fitted over the side lights so that these can be exhibited or obscured from the bridge; masthead light is to be kept obscured and ready to hoist and show temporarily.
  • Suitable arrangements must be made to enable the chart to be consulted without showing a light outboard. Arrangements must also be made to provide a suitable shaded light for the compass, and any other bridge instruments having illuminated faces.
  • A hand flashlight or blinker tube should be ready on the bridge at all times for emergency use.

2404. The thorough darkening of the ship from sunset to sunrise is of vital importance. It must be borne in mind that one light insufficiently screened or even the reflection of a light (particularly on white paint) will betray the presence of the vessel to any hostile craft.

2405. The main points which require particular attention are the following:
  • All windows or ports of cabins, smoking rooms, lounges, alleyways, etc., which open onto the deck or the side of the ship, especially when situated on the promenade deck, are either to be fitted with shutters or have the glass painted over.
  • Troop spaces, crew spaces, officers' quarters, and main stairway entrances from upper deck must have bulbs of low candlepower, only sufficient to give dim light and placed down near the deck so as not to give general illumination.
  • Cabins, smoking rooms, etc., with doors opening directly onto the main decks, must have screens or curtains to form a "light lock."
  • In the case of cabins, chart roms, etc., fitted with electric lights and opening directly onto the upper decks, switches that operate by closing of the doors, so that light cannot be switched on with the door open, are of great value.
  • Engine room hatches, uptakes, etc., must be fitted with screens or battens to prevent any light from showing upward.
  • All master switches should be rigged with preventers to insure against accidental illumination.
  • In addition to the above, there shall be provided, if possible, an auxiliary or emergency electrical circuit operated form storage batteries, which will be available for use in the event of a casualty to the boiler or generators. The control switch for this circuit shall be on the bridge. This circuit shall be used to supply light, in emergency, to the following places: Troop and crew spaces, passageways in superstructure decks, engine rooms and fire rooms, radio room, boat lowering, and abandon ship stations.


2406. A patrol shall make constant rounds to insure that the orders regarding darkening are observed throughout the ship. For this purpose the patrol shall have free access to every compartment that can possibly show a light outboard or overhead.

2407. All unnecessary lights must always be kept switched off.

2408. Notices are to be kept posted in conspicuous places calling attention of the crew, passengers, and troops to the great danger of exposing lights.

2409. Before the ship leaves port, a careful inspection is to be made to see that all compartments have been made to comply with the above instructions. The ship should be darkened and an officer sent around her in a boat to ascertain whether or not lights can be seen from outboard. While this inspection is in progress a member of the crew should be detailed to inspect cabins, saloon entrances, etc., to insure that all cut-out switches and screening devices are in good order.

2410 Smoking shall not permitted on deck after dark. The glow of a cigarette is frequently visible for half a mile.
2411. The use of hand flashlights on open decks is forbidden. Before going to sea, all hand flashlights, except those specifically authorized by the master, shall be collected and locked up. This applies to passengers as well as to the crew of the vessel. As the fixed lighting system is liable to be put out of commission if the ship is damaged, electric hand flashlights should be stored in Emergency Light Boxes which should be secured to bulkheads at various convenient locations such as the engine and boiler rooms, on the bridge and in access passageways.

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九年服役纪念章银星勋章

发表于 2016-1-26 23:13 | 显示全部楼层
看上面2401和2402两条已经够了。

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 楼主| 发表于 2016-1-29 23:03 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
并没有谁给出一个明确的回答是否开航行灯。

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发表于 2016-1-30 11:32 | 显示全部楼层
企鹅骑士 发表于 2016-1-29 23:03
并没有谁给出一个明确的回答是否开航行灯。

10楼2401和2402那两条写的那么明白,你看不懂英文?

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 楼主| 发表于 2016-1-30 17:19 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 企鹅骑士 于 2016-1-30 17:21 编辑
seven_nana 发表于 2016-1-30 11:32
10楼2401和2402那两条写的那么明白,你看不懂英文?

2401。在可能会有潜艇、袭击舰或飞机威胁的海域,船只在无导航灯的情况下。被小心地从日落驾驶到日出。
2402。除非在明确指定的区域,否则是不开导航灯的。导航灯的可见距离是舷灯1英里、桅灯2英里。
也就这个水平了,不知道对不对。

我的问题是在没有导航灯的情况下,船团如何在一整夜的时间里保持队形。

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发表于 2016-1-30 17:53 | 显示全部楼层
企鹅骑士 发表于 2016-1-30 17:19
2401。在可能会有潜艇、袭击舰或飞机威胁的海域,船只在无导航灯的情况下。被小心地从日落驾驶到日出。
24 ...

你在12楼说的是“并没有谁给出一个明确的回答是否开航行灯”,然而10楼和11楼已经给出回答了,要么是你看不懂英文,要么就是你没好好看还瞎问。

至于你主楼的问题,根据给定的指令(航向、航速、维持某个航线多久、什么时候转向、什么时候改变速度等等),依靠海图、秒表、尺规等工具航行,是航海的基本功好么?编队航行,为了避免人因误差,那就把间距拉开些。

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 楼主| 发表于 2016-2-1 13:25 | 显示全部楼层
谁能不能给出个编队图?

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十二年服役纪念章杰出服役十字勋章

发表于 2016-2-2 13:01 | 显示全部楼层
企鹅骑士 发表于 2016-1-25 18:36
在现在用灯光和无线电静默航行来反海盗?除了自己作死没有别的解释了,太危险了。撞船不说,万一船上偷偷 ...

18.5节指我船,非对方船。
破坏他人睡眠和爱情的人是不能上天堂的。

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九年服役纪念章

发表于 2016-2-6 17:28 | 显示全部楼层
估计航行定应该开着,当然了,肯定用遮光板缩小观察视角,应可以防止潜艇观察

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发表于 2016-2-7 17:05 | 显示全部楼层
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