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小生关于IJN战舰炮塔重量求教

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发表于 2022-3-22 23:36 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 PPT 于 2022-3-22 23:42 编辑

如图所示,这是navweaps上关于最上155的炮塔重量描述。


这是昭和造船史上的相关版面,可以看到此处对应重量描述为炮塔旋回部,使用翻译之后得出的结果是英语“Turret rotation weight”翻译结果为炮塔旋转重量,似炮塔而又非炮塔的语意。

最后这是石桥的巡洋舰图集中的附表,四个数字从上到下依次为旋回部(revolvingweight)、炮身(barrel weight)、楯部(shieldarmor weight)、炮架(mount weight)。四者之和原大于177吨,尽管将下三者数字相加可得回旋部重量,但是表中另列的3式140炮却是36.48、10.95、2.11、14.89,无论如何计算都无法得出三者相加等于回旋部的结论,且nw和昭和造船史均认为双联140应为50吨,但石桥书中的数据完全无法得出50吨的结论。


晚辈最后在日语中搜索同义词,模型网站中所给亦指出为不包括炮身重量。
由此到底是nw中对于ijn炮塔重量的认知存在问题,亦或石桥书中存在问题?还是说炮塔旋回部一词在日语中有两种意思?求前辈高人解答


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发表于 2022-3-23 01:25 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 海上君主 于 2022-3-23 12:31 编辑

仅以我个人浅薄的理解,炮塔旋回部包含炮管、炮盾、炮架是没有问题的。三联155炮塔重量也的确如此。
双联140到底多重,nw上是这样写的,50吨和36吨都有出处,不过nw作者不太相信36吨的说法。
石桥三部分加起来不等于36吨,可能有另外的错误。楼主有没有单装140炮管炮盾炮架的重量可供参考?
期待有大佬答疑解惑。

"Naval Weapons of World War Two" says that the twin mounts on the Katori class weighed 48 tons (49 mt) while the twin mountings on the other ships were 35.9 to 36.9 tons (36.5 to 37.5 mt).  This data appears to be sourced from US Naval Technical Mission to Japan report O-47(N1).  Campbell credits this weight difference to the Katori class having thick 5 cm (2 inch) shields versus 1 cm (0.4 inch) shields on the other ships, although shield thickness is not noted in O-47(N1).  However, this weight difference and level of protection is not supported by "Japanese Cruisers of the Pacific War," which states that all ships had a 1 cm (0.4 inch) shield and weighed 49 tons (50 mt).  This weight seems consistent with the single mounting at 20 tons (21 mt) as reported in this same source, as the single mounting was an open back type while the twin was a fully enclosed design.  I also find it difficult to believe that the Katori class would have had such a thick gun shield as they were designed and built as training cruisers.  These ships lacked all but splinter protection everywhere else, as thicker armor would have taken weight away from their primary purpose of training.  For these reasons, I believe that "Japanese Cruisers of the Pacific War" is probably the correct source to use for these mountings.

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发表于 2022-3-23 12:09 | 显示全部楼层
又是一个买盗版书的

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发表于 2022-4-18 15:25 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
我认为这是因为资料的数字本身就是有一定冲突的,不同资料来源其数据本身就会有一定差别

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