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二战期间 5艘现代化改造的QE能否击败 2艘BSM+2沙恩+3希佩尔

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发表于 2013-1-25 21:53 | 显示全部楼层
517134622 发表于 2013-1-24 19:50
威力不错,也就能给上部装甲点点火,重巡火炮不够战列舰正眼瞧的,至于速度,战列巡洋舰都被证明把生存希 ...


废掉战列舰的火控8英寸弹足矣,事实证明没了火控,有再好的火炮也没用。我想知道你何出此言?
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517134622 发表于 2013-1-26 09:24
呵呵,原来你们把希望寄托在重巡在被重创前废掉战列舰的火控,呵呵,你觉得靠谱吗?重巡8寸炮,女王15寸 ...

可惜的是事实上既不是我去指挥那条希佩尔,也不是你去指挥那一票子QE,指挥那一票子QE的是英国佬。你知道英国佬是怎么打的吗?呵呵,他们当然是挑大的打,CA么,在他们眼里不算什么(但事实并非如此,丹麦海峡之战中欧根比首相更早命中胡德)。也就是说,实际上5QE的火力必然集中在首相,提子,沙恩和格耐身上,英舰的指挥官可不会像你这么“聪明”去分一点火力到CA身上。

至于让CA去吸引火力,我已经无力吐槽了。
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发表于 2013-1-26 17:16 | 显示全部楼层
其实整个帖子看下来,最BT的神论还是“3打2俾斯曼必死”,2首相和3QE相比顶多平分秋色,但也不至于到必死的程度。如果说2首相 VS 3女王,首相必死的话,那么战斗力和首相处于同一个台阶(或者略高)的主教/南达/维内托在3 VS 2的情况下,八成也是死。

但是,本论坛有多少人认为2主教/2南达/2维内托 VS 3女王,这个情况下前面3个会死的???????
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owaii 发表于 2013-1-26 17:34
分火是炮术大忌,5艘QE要么全力射击俾斯麦和沙恩,要么4艘去与德舰一对一,一艘射击重巡。

2艘重巡对5艘 ...

你认为英国人碰上首相和沙恩之后会让QE和它们一对一?“5艘QE全力射击俾斯麦和沙恩”这个才是英国佬正常的做法。然后,CA突击放鱼。
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517134622 发表于 2013-1-26 19:33
战列舰决战,自然不会把主炮火力分到敌方重巡身上去,为什么?因为对于战列舰来说,致命的威胁来自对方战 ...

既然要“最快时间打掉对方战列舰”,英国佬怎么会傻到“分一条QE出来打敢冲上来的希佩尔”?求解。
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517134622 发表于 2013-1-26 23:21
我的意思是,如果希佩尔不来捣乱,那5QE专心招呼德军BB和BC,如果希佩尔上来捣乱,本来拦截敌方重巡的任 ...


我打击敌人得先保存自己吧”,很抱歉,我在丹麦海峡之战中完全没看出来这一点。


PS:我想请你回答135楼的问题。
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owaii 发表于 2013-1-27 11:19
因为没有护航舰。不然用护航舰缠住希佩尔就行了。


多数事实证明,不管英帝BB周围是否有护航舰,遇上德国战舰,肯定是先找主力打,CA什么的他们不会放在眼里(除非认错),更别提分出火力打冲上来的CA了。

想当年,为了拦住首相,英国可是派了胡德和POW两个一起出去拦截的,现在首相兄弟都出来了,拖住4QE没问题(注意,是拖住!我没说打赢!),2沙恩拦住1QE也完全没问题。我想知道这个情况下英帝如何去“照顾”那另外3条希佩尔?
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517134622 发表于 2013-1-27 21:48
我觉得你的逻辑就有问题:
第一,首相兄弟如何拖住4QE?当年首相出击英国派2主力舰拦截是一种主动选择而 ...

你木有回答我135楼的问题。
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517134622 发表于 2013-1-28 08:35
我已经说清楚了,英国人派2战列舰对付首相是为了速胜,这样说吧,后面胡德沉了以后,英国人一怒出动了那 ...

我确定你连帖子都没往前翻!

我的问题正确“翻译”过来是“2主教/2南达/2维内托 VS 3女王,结果如何”,这个问题跟首相半毛钱关系都没有!
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发表于 2013-1-28 15:46 | 显示全部楼层
I don't know.关于沙恩霍斯特的一些思考

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seven_nana 发表于 2013-1-28 15:17
胡德那张图,你圈出的部分,大部分都是上部装甲带,你连胡德的主装在哪都没搞清楚就来误导人

图片收好, ...


这个是否表示胡德打不过QE?
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seven_nana 发表于 2013-1-28 15:17
胡德那张图,你圈出的部分,大部分都是上部装甲带,你连胡德的主装在哪都没搞清楚就来误导人

图片收好, ...


You are right.



•Main Armour Belt:
◦Length/Height- 562ft X 9ft 6in / 171.3m X 2.9m.
◦Thickness- 12in/30.5cm (max), tapering to 5in/12.7cm forward & 6in/15.2cm aft
•Lower Armour Belt: 7in / 17.8cm
•Bulkheads: 4in & 5in /10.2cm & 12.7cm

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dlwwj2003 发表于 2013-1-28 16:21
首相和欧根一直是27节的速度?~

Yes,of course,during the battle.
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seven_nana 发表于 2013-1-28 16:30
胡德到死也没配上6crh的炮弹,女王级经过改造后配上了。6crh的炮弹存速性比4crh的好,远距离落角小。远距 ...

因人而异,不过皇家海军官兵的素质很不错。
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The Battle of the Denmark Strait At 0537 hours, VADM Holland had ordered his vessels to turn 40º to starboard together. This put the vessels on a heading of 280º, and placed the enemy fine off their starboard bows. The British ships were steaming at nearly 29 knots, with Prince of Wales roughly 800 yards/ 731.5 m off Hood’s starboard quarter. Unfortunately, rather than come out ahead of the Germans, Holland’s force had actually been on a diverging course. This was a result of the northern diversion the evening before as well as positional error in the regular reports from the British cruisers shadowing the Germans.

Now that his original intentions were no longer possible, Holland’s plan was to close the range as quickly as possible, then turn at short range to bring his full guns to bear. He would also keep his ships in close formation for gunnery concentration purposes. This meant both ships had to approach at an acute angle which masked their rear turrets. As a result, Holland would be going into battle with roughly half of his main armament. Heavy sea spray would pose a problem for his optical directors. The enemy vessels on the other hand, would be able to utilise their full compliment of main guns. Their optical equipment (already superior to the British types) would also suffer less from the effects of the wind and sea spray, as the wind would be on their disengaged sides.

This approach has been the subject of much debate and criticism over the years. Most critics have benefitted from hindsight and inadequately considered what was and was not known to Holland at that time. Holland, an experienced gunnery and command officer, must have considered all of these negative factors that morning. He had hard choices to make, and he knew that for every action there was a calculated risk. In this case, he had a chance to stop a potentially serious threat to British convoys. He absolutely had to seize the initiative and press the attack with the assets immediately available to him. He could not allow these ships to get loose and wreck havoc as Scharnhorst and Gneisenau did earlier in the year.

The sharp approach was dictated by the known deficiencies in Hood's armour and protection scheme. Holland would have been well aware of British armour efficiency studies that indicated Hood had virtually no immunity zone against 15" guns. Of course, the liklihood of a side penetrating hit could be lessened somewhat if Hood were at sharper angles in relation to the enemy. It was therefore critical that Hood close the range as quickly as possible but without allowing the Germans to slip ahead of his ships. In doing this, he would have tried to present as small a target as possible. Once the range had been closed, Hood would still be susceptible to enemy fire, but at such ranges the fire would come at flatter trajectories. If a somewhat oblique course were maintained, the side armour should stand up better to enemy gunfire. Presumably Hood's own gunnery would be more accurate at shorter ranges as well.

By 0552 hours, the range had decreased to roughly 25,000 yards / 12.3 nm / 22.8 km. The British vessels were now on a heading of 300º, a further turn of 20º towards the enemy having been executed at 0549. At 0550, Holland gave the order 'G.S.B. 337 L1' directing Hood and Prince of Wales to both engage the left hand German ship bearing 337º, which was presumed to be Bismarck. In reality, it was Prinz Eugen. Aboard Prince of Wales the mistake was realised fairly quickly. Gunnery Officer, Lieutenant Commander Colin McMullen, correctly identified the right-hand ship as Bismarck and ordered her to be targeted.  Despite this correct identification, he had a difficult time in obtaining accurate ranges until just prior to the time fire was opened.

The reasons for the initial misidentification are quite understandable: First of all, it was assumed that the command vessel, Bismarck, would be leading the formation. They had no idea that the German vessels had switched position the previous day: Bismarck’s radar had been put out of action by the concussion of her main armament as she fired at the Norfolk on the the previous day. This being the case, Prinz Eugen was sent ahead in order that she could use her radar to search for any British vessels approaching from a forward bearing. Given the extreme ranges and angles at which they were first sighted, the German ships were virtually indistinguishable due to their similar silhouettes. This was further compounded by the distance at which Bismarck was trailing Prinz Eugen (roughly between 1.5 to 2.5 km). This made the smaller ship look larger.

As the ships grew closer, the spotters in Hood realised their mistake. VADM Holland was informed and only moments before opening fire, he ordered 'GOB1' directing that fire be switched to the right hand German ship, Bismarck. This order was definitely communicated to Prince of Wales. It is also believed to have been meant for his own ship as well. Despite this, Hood's target remained the left hand ship, Prinz Eugen. The reason for this failure to switch targets is not exactly known. It may not have been possible to switch over quickly enough or there may have been communications problems.

Note: The timing of the order to switch targets is in some doubt. Hood survivors were sure that Hood shot at least two salvoes before VADM Holland ordered the target switch. On the other hand, Capt Leach of Prince of Wales insisted it came before fire was opened.

Action commenced at 0552 1/2 hours, as Hood’s two forward turrets fired the first salvoes. Half a minute later, Prince of Wales’s forward turrets followed suit. Though it was at its extreme range, it is possible that Hood was attempting to use her Type 284 gunnery radar to direct her bombardment (this is subject to debate though). Prince of Wales, her Type 284 malfunctioning (attempts were made to use it, but it was believed to be defective) and unable to use an alternate radar such as Type 281 (VADM Holland denied permission for its use), was forced to shoot optically. Interestingly, Prince of Wales is believed to have attempted to use Type 284 or Type 281 later in the battle, but with poor results (this too is subject to debate).

Hood’s first salvo fell near Prinz Eugen but did not actually hit. Prince of Wales’s opening salvo was observed to be at least 1,500 yards over and to the right/aft of Bismarck. This was due to to incorrect estimates of the initial sighting range, course and bearing of Bismarck. The Germans, having seen the salvos, were shocked to learn that the approaching vessels were not cruisers, but were major combatants – a King George V class battleship (which they assumed was KGV herself, as Prince of Wales was thought to still be working up) and even worse, the famed and feared battle cruiser H.M.S. Hood (apparently the men aboard Bismarck knew it was Hood before the crew of Prinz Eugen). Her legend and reputation were great and she was well respected in the Kriegsmarine. This is backed-up by the statements of Bismarck crew who were later quoted as saying that Hood, in particular, was the 'terror of their war games'.

Hood continued to fire on Prinz Eugen. Prince of Wales continued to engage Bismarck. According to Hood survivors, Hood switched targets to Bismarck after 2 or 3 salvoes. A German witness aboard Prinz Eugen thought otherwise and recounted that Hood shot only at Prinz Eugen. This is far different from the recollections of Bismarck survivors - they were sure Hood had engaged them accurately all along. Most of these men, however, were not in a position to actually see what Hood was shooting at and more than likely were accounting for the fire of Prince of Wales. With little to no fall of shot information availalbe, it points to the strong possibility that Hood shot most of her salvoes between the two German ships, never striking either one.

Aboard Bismarck, Admiral Lütjens' hesitance had started to place his ships in potential danger - though his gun crews were ready and requesting permission to open fire, Lütjens still would not act. At 0555 hours, after two minutes of British shelling, Captain Lindemann had finally had enough. He was rumoured to have said 'I will not let my ship get shot out from under my arse!' then give permission to open fire. Prinz Eugen shot first (see photo at right), followed shortly by Bismarck. Both vessels concentrated their fire on the lead British vessel, Hood.

Bismarck’s first salvo (4 guns) fell in front and slightly to starboard of Hood. Its second, fell directly between Hood and Prince of Wales. Its third salvo appeared to straddle Hood. Meanwhile, Prinz Eugen had loosed between 2 and 3 salvoes herself. One of these salvoes straddled Hood at roughly the same time that Bismarck’s third salvo fell. It is believed that either one 15inch shell from Bismarck or one or more 8inch high explosive (not armour piercing) shells from Prinz Eugen struck Hood near the base of the main mast on the port side of the shelter deck. It is widely believed that the hit was from Prinz Eugen rather than Bismarck. This conclusion is based on both eye witness testimony as well as the fact that a hit by Bismarck’s 15inch shells would likely have caused considerably more damage.

The hit on Hood started a bright fire that proceeded to spread across a portion of the shelter deck to port of the main mast and aft superstructure. Though it apparently did not reach the motor launches/boats, it did reach various ready-use ammunition lockers and began ’cooking off’ the munitions inside. The shelter deck soon became hellish as 4inch shells and 7inch Unrotated Projectile (UP) rocket mines began sporadically detonating. The detonations occurred both on the ship as well as in the air. Those who could not take cover in time were killed or wounded in the storm of fire and shrapnel.

On the Compass Platform, Squadron Gunnery Officer Commander Gregson stepped outside to examine the situation. He reported to VADM Holland and Captain Kerr that Hood had been hit on the boat deck (shelter deck) near the main mast and that there was a fire in the Ready Use lockers. Simultaneously with this, emergency calls began to flood the bridge. Realising the danger the fire and exploding ammunition posed to damage control parties on the shelter deck, Holland ordered the fire left alone until the ammunition had been fully expended. Accordingly, all personnel with exposed action stations were ordered to take cover. Most huddled in the large open area at the rear of the main superstructure’s base. The fire raged on for another minute or two before it finally started to die down.  It should be noted that amongst the flood of damage reports coming in, there was nothing from the torpedo areas or the engine rooms. These areas were very likely unaffected by the fire.

Captain Kerr tried to contact the observers in the spotting top but was unable to get through. Quite possibly, there was no one there to talk to – Midshipman William Dundas later commented that he saw bodies falling from the spotting top at about that time. It is possible that a shell from Bismarck had passed through without detonating. This would have had a devastating effect on the observers and possibly her radar operators. This could have severely hampered targeting/sighting efforts by forcing Hood to rely upon her single main optical rangefinder, or worse, her drenched turret rangefinders.

Bismarck trained her 5.9" / 15cm secondary armament to Prince of Wales, but kept her main guns fixed on Hood. Prinz Eugen switched fire totally to Prince of Wales after her 6th salvo. Prince of Wales fired her 14" and 5.25" armament at Bismarck. Hood continued to shoot somewhere between the two German ships.



The Loss of HoodVADM Holland must have realised that the situation was getting desperate: The Germans had already found the range and Hood was taking hits. He was also suffering casualties on the burning shelter deck. Worst of all, neither of his own ships appeared to be scoring any decisive hits on the enemy. Hood, having made the error of initially opening fire against the wrong ship was only now getting the correct range for Bismarck. Things were going horribly wrong – he needed to improve his odds.

At 0555 hours, believing that he was likely out of the danger zone for plunging fire (or believing he was within acceptable gunnery range), VADM Holland ordered the flag signal 'Blue 2' (20° turn to port) to be hoisted. The ships turned to port in an attempt to 'open A arcs' (i.e. allow the rear turrets to be brought into action). This turn opened Prince of Wales’s A arcs at her 9th salvo. It apparently also opened Hood’s A arcs as one or more of her aft turrets was seen to fire sometime after the completion of the turn. Once the range was down to approximately 14,500 yards/ 7.2 nm / 13.3 km, VADM Holland ordered another 20° turn to port.

This turn was executed sometime between 0559-0600. Sometime during the first moments of the execution of this turn, Hood was dealt her death blow- Bismarck’s 5th salvo had straddled, with one or two shells likely striking Hood somewhere around the main mast, or possibly through a narrow weak zone in her side (possibly even underwater). Aboard Prince of Wales, Captain Leach happened to be looking at Hood: "...at the moment when a salvo arrived and it appeared to be across the ship somewhere about the mainmast. In that salvo there were, I think, two shots short and one over, but it may have been the other way round. But I formed the impression at the time that something had arrived on board Hood in a position just before the mainmast and slightly starboard. It was not a very definite impression that I had, but it was sufficiently definite to make me look at Hood for a further period. In fact I wondered what the result was going to be, and between one and two seconds after I formed that impression, an explosion took place in the Hood, which appeared to me to come from very much the same position in the ship. There was a very fierce upward rush of flame the shape of a funnel, rather a thin funnel, and almost instantaneously the ship was enveloped in smoke from one end to the other."

Although there was naturally some variation in the reports that witnesses gave, most agree that a tall, slim geyser of flame, similar in appearance to a welding torch, shot up from the area around the main mast (possibly venting flame/gas shooting up from the engine room vents). At the same time, a gigantic, strangely quiet, explosion or conflagration wracked the entire aft end of the ship. Large pieces of debris were observed in the air. As the flames turned into a mushroom cloud, the entire ship became wreathed in heavy smoke. She slowed to a stop and heeled heavily to starboard.

On Hood’s Compass Platform, a bright flash was seen to sweep round outside and everyone was thrown to the floor. As they regained their footing, the Officer of the Watch notified VADM Holland and Captain Kerr that the compass had gone. Kerr ordered that control be switched over to emergency steering. No sooner than that was said, the ship momentarily righted itself, then began an alarming roll to port – a roll from which she never recovered. As she rolled to port, she began to go down by the stern. The bow began to swing sharply upwards – Hood was going down and doing so quickly. In his book Flagship Hood, survivor Ted Briggs records that VADM Holland, sat dejectedly in his seat, with Captain Kerr attempting to stand at his side, and that no order was given to abandon ship – it really was not necessary. Everyone seemed to realise what was happening. Those that could do so, very calmly left their stations in an attempt to clear the foundering ship.

Those able to see the action on Prince of Wales, Norfolk and Suffolk, as well as their German adversaries, could not believe their eyes: The 'Mighty Hood', most famous of all warships, had just been devastated by a massive explosion. It truly was unfathomable if not nightmarish to all who watched. This spectacle resulted in a momentary lull in the battle. The section of the ship from just before the main mast aft to "Y" turret was laid waste – a mass of largely unrecognisable steel and twisted framework. They watched in horror as the remains of the stern, twisted, swung vertical and quickly sank.

The forepart swung high into the air at an angle between 45º and vertical and began to pivot about as it rapidly sank.  According to the Germans, as the bow rose into the air, Hood’s forward turrets were seen to fire one last salvo. If this is true, it is likely due to a short or a mechanical failure. Another possibility is that they were venting flames from an internal fire or smaller scale explosion.



The Retreat of Prince of Wales Prince of Wales meanwhile, had continued to execute the turn and now found the sinking Hood directly in her path. The ship had to take immediate evasive action to starboard in order to avoid the wreckage. In her aft gunnery director tower, Lieutenant Commander Brooke recalled the ship (Prince of Wales) heeling over to starboard on execution of the Blue 2 (20º to port) signal, then violently heeling in the opposite direction. The starboard turn was so severe that it seemed to some as if Prince of Wales would roll completely over. Fortunately, she soon steadied herself. A momentary lull ensued as the Prince of Wales’s own guns were silenced by the loss of aim that these movements caused the gun directors. The emergency turn to starboard also, unfortunately, placed Prince of Wales immediately between Hood and the German vessels – in short, she was directly in their sights. The close formation that the British ships had taken up now meant that Bismarck's gunners quickly and accurately switched fire to Prince of Wales.

Within moments, Bismarck, her elated crew now focused on the battle once more, was scoring hits on the new battleship: The first 15inch shell to find its mark went struck the lightly armoured compass platform, killing or mortally wounding all personnel except Captain Leach, the Chief Yeoman of signals, and the Navigating Officer. All three were understandably dazed. Although severe in its effects, this hit was mitigated by the fact that the shell passed completely through without detonating. It was not a dud, as is often claimed, it had merely not encountered enough of a mass to trip its fuse. Control of the ship was passed to the upper conning tower immediately below the compass platform. Further hits followed in rapid succession: Four more 8inch and two more 15inch. These included a 15inch hit below the waterline beneath the armoured belt. This shell, which was potentially fatal to the ship, did not explode and was not discovered until the ship docked at Rosyth after the operation had concluded.

At this point in time, the Germans were also preparing to use another weapon against Prince of Wales: long range torpedoes from Prinz Eugen. Captain Brinkmann of Prinz Eugen ordered that torpedoes be fired as soon as the range was reached. Bismarck remaining astern of Prinz Eugen to avoid masking the target. The torpedoes were never launched, however, due to the inexperience of the torpedo officer and the next actions of Prince of Wales.

Despite the numerous hits sustained and the ever increasing problems with her own guns Prince of Wales is believed to have scored three straddles containing hits on Bismarck – one of which was to effectively end Bismarck’s participation in 'Operation Rheinübung'. Some experts attribute Prince of Wales’s success to the use of Type 281 radar (which she had switched to after Hood’s demise), although Captain Leach himself later reported this was found to be malfunctioning at that time (again, radar use is subject to debate). Regardless, she was soon in dire straits, and sometime between 0602 and 0603, following her 18th salvo, Captain Leach (or the Officer in Charge of the ship in the moments immediately following the hit on the Compass Platform) made the wise decision to lay down a smoke screen and break off the engagement. In the midst of this turn away, the aft turret ("Y" turret) managed three more salvoes (a total of 4 rounds) under local control. All are believed to have fallen short. After turning away and circling to port, Prince of Wales later joined up with Norfolk in the shadowing of the Germans.

Why did Prince of Wales retreat? As we review these events some 60-plus years after they took place, it will seem to most readers that Captain Leach was entirely justified to have broken off the action. Unfortunately, in 1941, he came under very close scrutiny by no less than Winston Churchill for doing so. Fortunately he was backed up both by Rear-Admiral Wake-Walker (who himself came under similar scrutiny) as well as Home Fleet Commander in Chief, Admiral Tovey. Leach based his decision upon several factors: the ship was clearly not in fighting condition due to her mechanical problems and shell damage. The crew was still a bit "green" and needed more time to get used to the ship and each other. She had also lost 13 men (14 men by the following day) in her Compass Platform, Air Defense Platform and aft radar office, plus numerous other casualties. He felt it was wiser to regroup and live to fight another day. There would be time to effect a more decisive concentration of British forces against Bismarck later. He was correct. Continuing the battle would have been a senseless waste of lives and of a potentially valuable asset.

Meanwhile, the German vessels had other issues to contend with: Around 0603 and again at 0607 and 0609 hours, underwater sound detection devices aboard Prinz Eugen picked up approaching sounds. The noises were assessed to be incoming torpedoes. Although the range was still extreme, the belief appears to have been that Hood may have fired torpedoes before sinking. Due to the angle of approach as well as the range involved, the German ships first turned away. They then settled back on their approximate previous course. Minutes later, at 0607 and 0609 hours, additional "torpedo" noises were detected and also responded to with evasive maneuvers. Although it is certain that Prinz Eugen executed these evasive turns, it is also highly likely that Bismarck did likewise as there was a potential threat and it would be dangerous to steam by a cruiser maneuvering so close at hand.

Both ships continued firing their guns at the fleeing Prince of Wales in the process. During the course of these manoeuvers, Bismarck approached fairly close to Prinz Eugen (astern and to starboard). She later crossed Prinz Eugen’s wake towards the port side. The sweeping torpedo avoidance maneuvers executed that morning account for the fact that photos/film of the event show her to both sides of Prinz Eugen.

It should be noted that the British hadn't really fired torpedoes: Of the British combatants directly involved, only Hood had such a capability. It is highly unlikely that she would have launched from such an extreme range. Even more unlikely that they would actually come close to the German ships. It should also be noted that British witnesses do not recall any orders being given to launch torpedoes. It could not have been the nearby British aircraft either as they were no so-equipped. There were also no known British submarines in the area. Prinz Eugen most likely detected the sound of collapsing bulkheads and wrenching steel coming from the sinking Hood...at this point she was well on her way down to the ocean floor and was being torn apart.

During this timeframe, there was also an aircraft alarm, due to the appearance of a Sunderland flying boat (Z201 of 201 Squadron, piloted by Flt Lt. Vaughn). Following the completion of the third anti-torpedo manoeuvre, Bismarck, now off Prinz Eugen's port quarter, advanced forward. She came between Prinz Eugen and the retreating Prince of Wales. She was in this position when the surface battle ended at 0609. In order to resume her leading position (Bismarck still had no forward radar and the known threats were now all to the rear), Prinz Eugen had to increase speed to maximum. By the time the antiaircraft barrages ceased at 0620, Prinz Eugen had already begun to pull well ahead of Bismarck. The German ships ultimately resumed their pre-battle positions.

Admiral Lütjens was satisfied with the outcome of the battle. He ignored suggestions from Capt Lindemann that they pursue and destroy the damaged Prince of Wales. He felt that any delay would likely bring more British warships to the area and potentially risk more damage to Bismarck – it was best to make a quick get away, fully assess and repair the existing damage then fulfill the mission objectives.

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这篇文章有无提及威尔士亲王号在第一回合退出俾斯麦的射程后一面修复一面跟踪,并在当日下午18:46分在303 ...




Hood Avenged- The Defeat of Bismarck
While the survivors were recovering from their ordeal, Hood was finally avenged. In a truly epic naval 'fox hunt on the high seas', Bismarck was hunted down and thoroughly defeated by the Royal Navy: Following the morning’s success against Hood and Prince of Wales, the damage to Bismarck was fully assessed. She had taken three 14 inch shell hits from Prince of Wales. The combined effects of two of these hits resulted in a serious fuel leak and reduced speed capacity. Surely Lütjens regretted not refuelling Bismarck at Bergen. Now there was no viable way for the operation to continue as planned – Rheinübung in its present form was over. Though Hood was lost, VADM Holland had achieved the objective of stopping Bismarck’s mission.

The decision was made that Prinz Eugen should escape and attempt commerce raiding on her own, whilst Bismarck proceeded to occupied France. On the afternoon of 24th May, Bismarck turned back towards her shadowers – this disrupted their coverage long enough to permit Prinz Eugen to escape undetected. Shots were exchanged between Bismarck and Prince of Wales, but no hits were scored. Bismarck then resumed her course. Late that evening, Swordfish aircraft from H.M.S. Victorious, were launched against Bismarck. Although they did score one torpedo hit, no significant new damage was achieved. It only succeeded in slowing Bismarck down a bit (the temporary repairs made after the Denmark Strait battle had come loose or were damaged as Bismarck manoeuvred to dodge the torpedoes).

On 25th May, Bismarck was once again able to shake off her pursuers, this time by cleverly looping around them. After losing radar contact with Bismarck, the British attempted to locate her using radio direction finding gear. Based on misplotted raw direction finder data, it was erroneously assumed that Bismarck had turned north to effect a return to Germany. Accordingly, Tovey turned his force in that direction. Meanwhile, Bismarck had actually continued on course to France. For reasons unknown, Bismarck foolishly poured out long radio messages to Germany. Once again using radio direction finding gear, the British soon got a better (but still rough) idea of Bismarck’s position. Based on this, Tovey realised that Bismarck had not turned and was apparently headed directly for France. By the time this mistake was realised, Bismarck had a lead of at least 150 miles. Unless something was done to slow her down, it would soon be within the range of U-boat and Luftwaffe protective screens.

On the morning of 26 May, Bismarck’s precise position and heading were at last confirmed by an American exchange officer piloting a British Catalina flying boat. Meanwhile, Tovey, in King George V had linked up with the battleship Rodney and began to pursue Bismarck, which was 130 miles / 240 km ahead of them. That evening, the cruiser Sheffield caught up to and began shadowing the wounded German giant. Also that evening, another Swordfish torpedo attack was launched, this time from Ark Royal. Unfortunately, the aircraft mistakenly attacked the Sheffield! Luckily for everyone concerned, all of the torpedoes had faulty magnetic firing mechanisms and exploded prematurely on contact with the ocean. The mistake realised, the Swordfish returned home and were made ready for another attack – this time with contact fuses on the torpedoes. In addition to the near fratricide incident, Sheffield also came under fire from Bismarck that evening. She received notable splinter damage and several casualties (3 men died).

Swordfish from Ark Royal struck once more that evening – this time with significant results: At least one hit was achieved on Bismarck’s stern. The result was that one or more of its rudders were jammed to port. Attempts were made to free the rudders and to steer using her screws, but to no avail. Virtually unmanoeuverable, Bismarck soon began to turn in the direction of Tovey's battleship force. To make matters worse for Bismarck, there would be no rest for her weary crew- the wounded behemoth was continuously harassed by British destroyers through the night. Though not directly struck, the destroyers received damage and suffered casualties (including 2 fatalities). Bismarck was untouched, but her crews psychological state was certainly affected.

During the morning of 27th May, a combined British force, led by King George V and Rodney, finally caught and engaged Bismarck. The German battleship, its rudders jammed, was unable to manoeuvre effectively. Neither she nor her tired crew was in peak condition at this point. The result of this was that in the ensuing action, Bismarck was quickly and inevitably overwhelmed.

She did manage to straddle both Rodney and King George V early on, but scored no direct hits. The British made quick work of the crippled ship and it was soon a slowly sinking, blazing wreck. At approximately 1039 hours, it was at last sent to the bottom by combination of the torpedoes of H.M.S. Dorsetshire, and earlier German scuttling efforts. Who actually sank the ship is a moot point in that by this point she was already defeated and permanently out of action.

In the end, the German death toll was approximately 2,131 (per a recent German recount of Bismarck casualties). Only 115 of her men survived. Of these, 110 were rescued by British warships (1 of which died the following day) and 5 were picked up by German/Axis-friendly ships. The death toll would have been somewhat lower, but the British were forced to break-off their rescue attempt – a suspicious 'smoking discharge' was sighted in the water and the rescue vessels departed the scene for fear of U-boat attack. This understandable but highly controversial and regrettable action left hundreds in the cold water. Some estimates put the number as high as 800, but this is mere speculation. The abandoned men either drowned, died of hypothermia or from their wounds. Although relieved that the German threat had been nullified, the survivors of Hood were not overjoyed at the news - they fully understood what the crew of Bismarck had gone through.




看来是木有提到,毕竟这个网站是以胡德号为主的嘛。整篇文章可到这个网站HMS Hood的History部分中找到。

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这个是我依比例量取的,主装高度只比楼上高14mm,差距很小。

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动感炮神 发表于 2013-1-29 21:27
艹……黑得太狠了吧。1米多还是有的吖。

没有啊,按我这边的比例尺量出来就是图上这个样子啊
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动感炮神 发表于 2013-1-29 21:41
大于12寸的地方,1米多还是有的。


我量出来是3064毫米=3.064米!!!!!!

PS:我知道为什么炮神会说我黑QE了,我那张图里涂满红色的部分并不是真正的330mm主装,只是我随手涂了一下
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