如果二戰大西洋破襲戰.

Zichuan · 发表于 2012-7-10 12:37

171758170 发表于 2012-7-9 23:35
我在＜浩瀚大洋是赌场＞这看到过说日本潜艇噪声很大，是不是呢？

嗯。。。盲目追求高输出的结果。。。但是我不理解为什么上水面舰就又冒出一个稳定性问题

司马 · 发表于 2012-7-10 12:38

Zichuan 发表于 2012-7-10 12:37
嗯。。。盲目追求高输出的结果。。。但是我不理解为什么上水面舰就又冒出一个稳定性问题 ...

武器装多了

Zichuan · 发表于 2012-7-10 12:44

171758170 发表于 2012-7-9 23:38
武器装多了

是柴油机的稳定性。。。动不动就出故障

铁公爵 · 发表于 2012-7-10 13:23

Zichuan 发表于 2012-7-10 12:20
嗯，是没错，不过不是技术不足。。。又是被那坑爹的产能拖累了。。。好好非得去打仗干什么 ...

更重要的是军部官僚对反潜的漠视,本该是水面反潜先锋的DD全成了大号鱼雷艇,对CVE的价值也到很晚才认识到

Zichuan · 发表于 2012-7-10 13:27

铁公爵发表于 2012-7-10 00:23
更重要的是军部官僚对反潜的漠视,本该是水面反潜先锋的DD全成了大号鱼雷艇,对CVE的价值也到很晚才认识到 ...

产能不足，只好先可着作战舰队需要，也是没办法的事。CVE的话。。。日本的运输船十分贵重，哪来多余的改装成CVE啊。

脱壳穿甲弹 · 发表于 2012-7-12 22:11

Zichuan 发表于 2012-7-10 13:27
产能不足，只好先可着作战舰队需要，也是没办法的事。CVE的话。。。日本的运输船十分贵重，哪来多余的改 ...

IJN即使能爆CVE也没多大意义...至少从那些特设航母动辄被潜艇弄掉的实际情况来看，很有可能让CVE的交换比被潜艇玩爆。。。

diasflac · 发表于 2012-7-12 22:22

Zichuan 发表于 2012-7-10 11:36
日本的反潜机上有磁探仪，现在反潜直升机的标配，德国在战争末期发展的通气管深度潜航对日本反潜机也没有 ...

这玩意我记得盟军也有..

Henschel · 发表于 2012-7-12 22:24

Zichuan 发表于 2012-7-10 13:27
产能不足，只好先可着作战舰队需要，也是没办法的事。CVE的话。。。日本的运输船十分贵重，哪来多余的改 ...

虽然没有美国那么多但是日本在战前准备了不少大型邮轮就候着改造成航母了，还拿走了德国的沙恩霍斯特号（这货是游船）改造成了神鹰号航母。主要是没飞行员或者被战轰成渣了

Zichuan · 发表于 2012-7-13 01:35

脱壳穿甲弹发表于 2012-7-12 09:11
IJN即使能爆CVE也没多大意义...至少从那些特设航母动辄被潜艇弄掉的实际情况来看，很有可能让CVE的 ...

对撒，日本的Q字头系列反潜机都是陆基机，不能上舰的话，意义也不大了。

Zichuan · 发表于 2012-7-13 01:40

diasflac 发表于 2012-7-12 09:22
这玩意我记得盟军也有..

木有哦，不然盟军就不会怕用过氧化氢燃料的XXI了。美国最早的磁探仪就是从日本缴获的。
盟军的高级产品应该是制导鱼雷（对潜用）和声纳浮标。

Zichuan · 发表于 2012-7-13 01:45

本帖最后由 Zichuan 于 2012-7-12 12:46 编辑

huyancong000 发表于 2012-7-12 09:24
虽然没有美国那么多但是日本在战前准备了不少大型邮轮就候着改造成航母了，还拿走了德国的沙恩霍斯特号（ ...

那些航母中一部分的定位也是服务于舰队作战比如隼鹰级。。。
而另一部分，小吨位的，没有弹射器，只能起飞零战和99舰爆的护航航母啊，人称飞机运输船，比如大鹰级。。。。。
而且从44年开始，还有吗？（不包括陆军的坑爹航母）。。。

铁公爵 · 发表于 2012-7-13 07:32

Zichuan 发表于 2012-7-13 01:40
木有哦，不然盟军就不会怕用过氧化氢燃料的XXI了。美国最早的磁探仪就是从日本缴获的。
盟军的高级产品应 ...

MK24用于反潜效果挺不错的,另外XXI这种H2O2燃料太不安全了

diasflac · 发表于 2012-7-21 00:04

Zichuan 发表于 2012-7-13 01:40
木有哦，不然盟军就不会怕用过氧化氢燃料的XXI了。美国最早的磁探仪就是从日本缴获的。
盟军的高级产品应 ...

Several squadrons of amphibious PBY-5As and -6As in the Pacific Theater were specially modified to operate as nighttime convoy raiders. Outfitted with state-of-the-art magnetic anomaly detection gear and painted flat black, these "Black Cats" were surprisingly successful. 看这段

diasflac · 发表于 2012-7-21 00:18

The introduction of the MAD sensor (magnetic anomaly detection) posed a problem with the current anti-submarine weapon of the day, the depth charge or depth bomb. US Navy squadron VP-63 got its Consolidated PBY-5A Catalina flying boats modified with MAD stingers in 1942. As the Catalina had to fly low over the surface of the water to detect the magnetic signature of a submerged U-boat, by the time the depth bomb was released, the aircraft's forward motion would carry the bomb ahead of the intended target.

As a solution, scientists at CalTech designed the "Retrorocket" which was an air-launched rocket based on the ship-launched Hedgehog antisubmarine rocket. The retrorocket weight 65 lbs with a 35 lb warhead and solid rocket motor in the tail with a ring fin assembly for stability. The retrorocket was mounted under the Catalina's wings pointed aft. Once the MAD sensor detected the U-boat, the rockets fired aft to fall vertically at the point where it had been fired as the forward facing rocket canceled out the forward speed of the launching aircraft.

Flying only 100 feet above the sea, the Catalinas of VP-63 based at Port Lyautey, Morocco, partrolled the Strait of Gibraltar to prevent U-boats from reinforcing the Mediterranean. In 1944 U-761 was the first casualty of the MAD Cats of VP-63. U-618 tried to run the Strait but turned back to France. Then U-392 tried to run the gauntlet and fell to a combined attack by MAD Cats and surface ships. Three U-boats would later sneak in successfully by avoiding the deep water channels altogether. U-731 then was sunk again and following that, one more U-boat made it past the strait, but the German effort proved excessively costly as by this point in the war every U-boat was valuable.
这是可以看做一个战例.

Zichuan · 发表于 2012-7-21 00:28

diasflac 发表于 2012-7-20 11:18
The introduction of the MAD sensor (magnetic anomaly detection) posed a problem with the current ant ...

原来如此，感谢科普。

Zichuan · 发表于 2012-7-21 00:36

本帖最后由 Zichuan 于 2012-7-20 16:51 编辑

diasflac 发表于 2012-7-20 11:18
The introduction of the MAD sensor (magnetic anomaly detection) posed a problem with the current ant ...

这样说来，事实上美国使用MAD的时间比日本还要早。我又被匪哥坑害了啊。。。。
不过按照维基上的说法，这货30年代就有了？

Magnetic anomaly detectors employed to detect submarines during World War II harnessed the fluxgate magnetometer, an inexpensive and easy to use technology developed in the 1930s by Victor Vacquier of Gulf Oil for finding ore deposits.[2][3] MAD gear was used by both Japanese and U.S. anti-submarine forces, either towed by ship or mounted in aircraft to detect shallow submerged enemy submarines. The Japanese called the technology jikitanchiki(磁気探知機, "Magnetic Detector"). After the war, the U.S. Navy continued to develop MAD gear as a parallel development with sonar detection technologies.

蒸汽装甲舰 · 发表于 2012-7-21 08:08

信匪贼鸥能有什么前途，楼上应该了解了吧。

Zichuan · 发表于 2012-7-21 08:26

蒸汽装甲舰发表于 2012-7-20 19:08
信匪贼鸥能有什么前途，楼上应该了解了吧。

亲身体会。。。泪奔撞墙去。。。。

diasflac · 发表于 2012-7-21 12:11

铁公爵发表于 2012-7-13 07:32
MK24用于反潜效果挺不错的,另外XXI这种H2O2燃料太不安全了

英国和毛子战后拿去的XXI都出过事.

diasflac · 发表于 2012-7-21 12:16

Zichuan 发表于 2012-7-21 00:36
这样说来，事实上美国使用MAD的时间比日本还要早。我又被匪哥坑害了啊。。。。
不过按照维基上的说法， ...

其实就是探矿的玩意...

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