Henschel 发表于 2012-12-25 16:51 static/image/common/back.gif
炮神啊。我一定要44编一个规矩，架空群严禁丢一个光秃秃sps.一定要上图。 ...
已补图。{:79:}
动感炮神 发表于 2012-12-25 17:10 static/image/common/back.gif
额……你到底是谁~~~！！！你把洋葱弟弟怎么样了！！！
他是洋葱的进化
动感炮神 发表于 2012-12-25 16:43 static/image/common/back.gif
我们可以这样：
当然，超标2000吨
方形系数是有多大····对了，你用什么做的图····
RosaRubus 发表于 2012-12-25 20:31 static/image/common/back.gif
方形系数是有多大····对了，你用什么做的图····
正常排水量下的方形系数只有0.55，满载状态也只有0.558而已。图是随便抓来的，除了主炮布置与舰桥造型，跟我的内容完全不相干……
超级战列舰 发表于 2012-12-25 18:21 static/image/common/back.gif
英语渣伤不起啊！只能勉强看懂一半。
跪求各位大神翻译完成！好像还有英美意苏的没搞定。 ...
。。。。擦。。。。目录内容我不是在教程写了么。。。
Henschel 发表于 2012-12-25 20:38 static/image/common/back.gif
。。。。擦。。。。目录内容我不是在教程写了么。。。
我说的是里面的一些介绍什么的。不过还是要感谢目录
超级战列舰 发表于 2012-12-25 17:14 static/image/common/back.gif
阿尔萨斯就是3座前二后一的4连380我知道，只是求一下具体的设计数据，听说某种说法说标排45000，总感觉不 ...
阿尔萨斯选型中3座前二后一的4连380只是其中一种方案，标排44700长吨，大约45000公吨。但是还有其他方案，最后法国人没有选择3X4的380，而是回到经典的3X3的380方案了，3联装380炮貌似叫M1940
动感炮神 发表于 2012-12-25 20:37 static/image/common/back.gif
正常排水量下的方形系数只有0.55，满载状态也只有0.558而已。图是随便抓来的，除了主炮布置与舰桥造型， ...
好吧····我是看图觉得方形系数太大····{:37:}
mszlj 发表于 2012-12-25 23:22 static/image/common/back.gif
阿尔萨斯选型中3座前二后一的4连380只是其中一种方案，标排44700长吨，大约45000公吨。但是还有其他方案 ...
没看到1940的资料，只看到1936的资料，不知道火力如何？能否超过维内托，达到衣阿华水准？话说3X3的380,45000吨还是很靠谱的，估计航速能上33节甚至34节。
突然觉得5万5千吨的战列舰来16门380，4X4，M1936也不错，至少是炮最多的战列舰，15寸扫甲板无压力{:73:}
超级战列舰 发表于 2012-12-26 17:11 static/image/common/back.gif
没看到1940的资料，只看到1936的资料，不知道火力如何？能否超过维内托，达到衣阿华水准？话说3X3的380,4 ...
3*3的380显然就用不了45000吨了。
owaii 发表于 2012-12-26 21:04 static/image/common/back.gif
3*3的380显然就用不了45000吨了。
用45000吨完全可以，再强化一下防御，以法国主机的给力程度说不定都有34节，保底33节。
这样只要主炮威力达到维内托以上，就完全可以和衣阿华抗衡了。
owaii 发表于 2012-12-26 21:04 static/image/common/back.gif
3*3的380显然就用不了45000吨了。
这样防护和速度都强过衣阿华，火力略差一点，绝对是一款好军舰。
其实我很怀疑45000吨装12门380，防护和速度会变成什么样。。。
超级战列舰 发表于 2012-12-26 17:11 static/image/common/back.gif
没看到1940的资料，只看到1936的资料，不知道火力如何？能否超过维内托，达到衣阿华水准？话说3X3的380,4 ...
图中type1方案就是3X3的380方案‘
本帖最后由 seven_nana 于 2012-12-27 00:19 编辑
mszlj 发表于 2012-12-27 00:07 static/image/common/back.gif
图中type1方案就是3X3的380方案‘
第一种方案标排是40000，注意washington这个词。标准排水量就是华盛顿条约上订立的概念
这套图还有另一页
下面是克莱蒙梭和加斯科因的设计案。阿尔萨斯的type1设计案与加斯科因的c系列设计案非常接近
seven_nana 发表于 2012-12-27 00:14 static/image/common/back.gif
第一种方案标排是40000，注意washington这个词。标准排水量就是华盛顿条约上订立的概念
这套图还有另一 ...
法国人的方案还真多，不过据说最后选中的是3X3的380方案，3X4厉害不过不经济
本帖最后由 动感炮神 于 2012-12-27 13:03 编辑
55000吨，31.9节，主装330，穹甲170，主炮把首相的SK C/34拉长到60L，副炮德造150高炮改高平两用，高炮75毫米自动炮射VT。
图片只是效果示意图，示意图，嗯嗯。
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1945
Displacement:
51,812 t light; 55,000 t standard; 59,919 t normal; 63,855 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(918.64 ft / 885.83 ft) x 120.73 ft x (37.00 / 38.81 ft)
(280.00 m / 270.00 m) x 36.80 mx (11.28 / 11.83 m)
Armament:
12 - 14.96" / 380 mm 60.0 cal guns - 1,940.07lbs / 880.00kg shells, 120 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1945 Model
3 x 4-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
1 raised mount - superfiring
12 - 5.91" / 150 mm 48.0 cal guns - 99.87lbs / 45.30kg shells, 400 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1945 Model
6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
16 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 12.13lbs / 5.50kg shells, 1,500 per gun
Auto rapid fire guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1945 Model
8 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 raised mounts
40 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 0.26lbs / 0.12kg shells, 1,500 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1945 Model
10 x 2 row quad mounts on centreline, evenly spread
10 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 24,684 lbs / 11,196 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13.0" / 330 mm 590.55 ft / 180.00 m 17.06 ft / 5.20 m
Ends: 3.15" / 80 mm 288.71 ft / 88.00 m 17.06 ft / 5.20 m
6.56 ft / 2.00 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 7.87" / 200 mm 590.55 ft / 180.00 m 8.53 ft / 2.60 m
Main Belt covers 103% of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
5.91" / 150 mm 688.98 ft / 210.00 m 40.03 ft / 12.20 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 120.73 ft / 36.80 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 20.1" / 510 mm 11.0" / 280 mm 16.1" / 410 mm
2nd: 3.94" / 100 mm 1.97" / 50 mm -
3rd: 1.97" / 50 mm 1.18" / 30 mm -
- Protected deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 6.69" / 170 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 14.96" / 380 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 196,000 shp / 146,216 Kw = 31.90 kts
Range 12,000nm at 16.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 8,856 tons
Complement:
1,914 - 2,489
Cost:
£37.340 million / $149.359 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 6,365 tons, 10.6%
- Guns: 6,365 tons, 10.6%
Armour: 26,048 tons, 43.5%
- Belts: 7,826 tons, 13.1%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 6,026 tons, 10.1%
- Armament: 4,206 tons, 7.0%
- Armour Deck: 7,497 tons, 12.5%
- Conning Tower: 494 tons, 0.8%
Machinery: 4,950 tons, 8.3%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 14,450 tons, 24.1%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 8,107 tons, 13.5%
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
73,859 lbs / 33,502 Kg = 44.1 x 15.0 " / 380 mm shells or 15.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.03
Metacentric height 7.0 ft / 2.1 m
Roll period: 19.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.58
Seaboat quality(Average = 1.00): 1.00
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a straight bulbous bow and large transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.530 / 0.539
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.34 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 34.72 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 40.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 5.28 ft / 1.61 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00%,32.81 ft / 10.00 m,23.62 ft / 7.20 m
- Forward deck: 30.00%,23.62 ft / 7.20 m,19.03 ft / 5.80 m
- Aft deck: 32.00%,19.03 ft / 5.80 m,19.03 ft / 5.80 m
- Quarter deck: 18.00%,19.03 ft / 5.80 m,19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Average freeboard: 21.43 ft / 6.53 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 71.2%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 152.8%
Waterplane Area: 76,233 Square feet or 7,082 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 94%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 231 lbs/sq ft or 1,129 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.15
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
动感炮神 发表于 2012-12-27 10:05 static/image/common/back.gif
55000吨，31.9节，主装330，穹甲170，主炮把首相的SK C/34拉长到60L，副炮德造150高炮改高平两用，高炮75毫 ...
有没有可能在55000吨上装4X4的380，并且保持30节航速，和相当的防护？
本帖最后由 动感炮神 于 2012-12-27 16:54 编辑
超级战列舰 发表于 2012-12-27 14:00 static/image/common/back.gif
有没有可能在55000吨上装4X4的380，并且保持30节航速，和相当的防护？
我试了试，败退了。{:78:}
超级战列舰 发表于 2012-12-27 14:00 static/image/common/back.gif
有没有可能在55000吨上装4X4的380，并且保持30节航速，和相当的防护？
16门SK C/34。
超标2300吨。防御也下降了。
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1945
Displacement:
54,237 t light; 57,300 t standard; 62,346 t normal; 66,383 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(935.04 ft / 902.23 ft) x 123.36 ft x (36.99 / 38.77 ft)
(285.00 m / 275.00 m) x 37.60 mx (11.28 / 11.82 m)
Armament:
16 - 14.96" / 380 mm 52.0 cal guns - 1,763.70lbs / 800.00kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1945 Model
4 x 4-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 5.04" / 128 mm 61.0 cal guns - 57.32lbs / 26.00kg shells, 400 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1945 Model
8 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
20 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 2.14lbs / 0.97kg shells, 1,500 per gun
Auto rapid fire guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1945 Model
10 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
10 raised mounts
40 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 0.26lbs / 0.12kg shells, 1,500 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1945 Model
10 x 2 row quad mounts on centreline, evenly spread
10 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 29,190 lbs / 13,240 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.6" / 320 mm 590.55 ft / 180.00 m 17.06 ft / 5.20 m
Ends: 3.15" / 80 mm 311.68 ft / 95.00 m 17.06 ft / 5.20 m
Upper: 5.91" / 150 mm 590.55 ft / 180.00 m 7.87 ft / 2.40 m
Main Belt covers 101% of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
5.91" / 150 mm 688.98 ft / 210.00 m 40.03 ft / 12.20 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 123.36 ft / 37.60 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 20.1" / 510 mm 11.0" / 280 mm 16.1" / 410 mm
2nd: 3.94" / 100 mm 1.97" / 50 mm 3.94" / 100 mm
3rd: 1.97" / 50 mm 1.18" / 30 mm -
- Protected deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 5.91" / 150 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 14.96" / 380 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 162,000 shp / 120,852 Kw = 30.15 kts
Range 12,000nm at 16.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 9,083 tons
Complement:
1,972 - 2,564
Cost:
£39.428 million / $157.713 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 7,086 tons, 11.4%
- Guns: 7,086 tons, 11.4%
Armour: 26,631 tons, 42.7%
- Belts: 7,211 tons, 11.6%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 6,026 tons, 9.7%
- Armament: 5,718 tons, 9.2%
- Armour Deck: 7,169 tons, 11.5%
- Conning Tower: 507 tons, 0.8%
Machinery: 4,091 tons, 6.6%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 16,429 tons, 26.4%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 8,109 tons, 13.0%
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
79,058 lbs / 35,860 Kg = 47.2 x 15.0 " / 380 mm shells or 17.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.00
Metacentric height 6.9 ft / 2.1 m
Roll period: 19.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.69
Seaboat quality(Average = 1.00): 1.08
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a straight bulbous bow and large transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.530 / 0.538
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.31 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 35.05 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 65
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 40.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 5.28 ft / 1.61 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 19.00%,32.81 ft / 10.00 m,23.62 ft / 7.20 m
- Forward deck: 30.00%,23.62 ft / 7.20 m,19.03 ft / 5.80 m
- Aft deck: 36.00%,19.03 ft / 5.80 m,19.03 ft / 5.80 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00%,19.03 ft / 5.80 m,19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Average freeboard: 21.34 ft / 6.50 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 68.2%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 153.8%
Waterplane Area: 79,333 Square feet or 7,370 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 246 lbs/sq ft or 1,203 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.10
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
动感炮神 发表于 2012-12-27 16:14 static/image/common/back.gif
我试了试，败退了。
如果45000可以装3X4的380并跑到30节以上，55000装4X4的380保持30节应该没太大问题啊！
真不知道法国人怎么在45000的标排上搞定12门380的。这个火力比衣阿华还要猛不少。
你把航速降到28节试试，估计55000搞定。
阿尔萨斯（12炮版）航速不会只有28节了吧。