55000吨级战列舰的主炮选择
为了保证统一，各种炮的初速度均取NavWeaps中的最大值。 看来时代背景是30年代末40年代初了。不考虑18寸炮么？ owaii 发表于 2012-12-15 13:40 static/image/common/back.gif
看来时代背景是30年代末40年代初了。
不考虑18寸炮么？
55000吨装18寸，还是比较勉强的。
其实最主要的是，航速得30节打底，18寸比较危险。 owaii 发表于 2012-12-15 13:40 static/image/common/back.gif
看来时代背景是30年代末40年代初了。
不考虑18寸炮么？
你选了12门MK7，尽管这是楼主所给选项中火力最强的版本，但相应的，这必然是防护最差的版本，权衡再三，选了老毛子。 本帖最后由 16inch 于 2012-12-15 14:06 编辑
粗略估算了一下，如果航速都是30节的话，那么最后一个选项可以拥有最好的防护，而且呢，适合“扫甲板”说{:17:}
第一个，第三个，第四个选项的防护可以做到差不多，略微逊于最后一个选项。 owaii 发表于 2012-12-15 13:40 static/image/common/back.gif
看来时代背景是30年代末40年代初了。
不考虑18寸炮么？
保证足够火力至少要4*2或者3*3，55000吨装8-9门18寸还要开30节的话结果很可能变薄皮船 本帖最后由 末日审判 于 2012-12-15 14:33 编辑
三叉戟 发表于 2012-12-15 14:01 static/image/common/back.gif
保证足够火力至少要4*2或者3*3，55000吨装8-9门18寸还要开30节的话结果很可能变薄皮船 ...
没错，55000吨装12门MK7的话，防护.........................
美帝有现成的装12门MK7的方案，那就是蒙大拿，结果就是28节航速，大和的吨位。
苏联也有计划舰，苏联级————标排59000吨，9门强力406，29节航速，与大和相仿的防护。 16inch 发表于 2012-12-15 13:52 static/image/common/back.gif
粗略估算了一下，如果航速都是30节的话，那么最后一个选项可以拥有最好的防护，而且呢，适合“扫甲板”说{: ...
扫甲板前提是要扫得动，历史上的战列舰对决被330之类炮扫甲板扫死的，有木有？被重炮一发或者几发打得不能反抗或者直接被秒杀的倒是很多 末日审判 发表于 2012-12-15 14:04 static/image/common/back.gif
没错，55000吨装12门MK7的话，防护.........................
美帝有现成的装12门MK7的方案，那就是蒙大 ...
要是主装350左右9门毛子炮航速30节····等下去做个试试··· 弱，三座双联Mark A还差不多。 史实美帝的蒙大拿级就是65000吨标排，12门MK7，航速28节，大和级别的防护。我想知道如果从蒙大拿身上拿掉整整一万吨，会变成什么样子{:17:} 末日审判 发表于 2012-12-15 13:46 static/image/common/back.gif
你选了12门MK7，尽管这是楼主所给选项中火力最强的版本，但相应的，这必然是防护最差的版本，权衡再三， ...
从炮塔看，4座MK7吨位=6832比3座B37的6981吨还轻。 本帖最后由 动感炮神 于 2012-12-15 15:25 编辑
三座四联B-37
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1950
Displacement:
54,283 t light; 58,350 t standard; 63,266 t normal; 67,199 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(918.65 ft / 885.83 ft) x 124.67 ft x (36.46 / 38.17 ft)
(280.00 m / 270.00 m) x 38.00 mx (11.11 / 11.63 m)
Armament:
12 - 15.98" / 406 mm 50.0 cal guns - 2,442.72lbs / 1,108.00kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1950 Model
3 x 4-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
1 raised mount - superfiring
20 - 5.12" / 130 mm 60.0 cal guns - 70.55lbs / 32.00kg shells, 400 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1950 Model
10 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
32 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 1.69lbs / 0.77kg shells, 1,500 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1950 Model
8 x 2 row quad mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 30,778 lbs / 13,961 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13.8" / 350 mm 590.55 ft / 180.00 m 17.06 ft / 5.20 m
Ends: 3.15" / 80 mm 295.28 ft / 90.00 m 17.06 ft / 5.20 m
Upper: 7.09" / 180 mm 590.55 ft / 180.00 m 8.53 ft / 2.60 m
Main Belt covers 103% of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
7.09" / 180 mm 721.78 ft / 220.00 m 45.28 ft / 13.80 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 124.67 ft / 38.00 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 18.9" / 480 mm 10.2" / 260 mm 16.1" / 410 mm
2nd: 3.94" / 100 mm 1.97" / 50 mm 3.94" / 100 mm
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Protected deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 5.91" / 150 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 16.14" / 410 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 188,000 shp / 140,248 Kw = 31.18 kts
Range 12,000nm at 16.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 8,849 tons
Complement:
1,993 - 2,592
Cost:
£42.273 million / $169.092 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 6,169 tons, 9.8%
- Guns: 6,169 tons, 9.8%
Armour: 28,934 tons, 45.7%
- Belts: 8,054 tons, 12.7%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 8,569 tons, 13.5%
- Armament: 4,569 tons, 7.2%
- Armour Deck: 7,191 tons, 11.4%
- Conning Tower: 552 tons, 0.9%
Machinery: 4,498 tons, 7.1%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 14,682 tons, 23.2%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 8,983 tons, 14.2%
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
86,215 lbs / 39,107 Kg = 42.2 x 16.0 " / 406 mm shells or 20.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.07
Metacentric height 8.0 ft / 2.4 m
Roll period: 18.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.65
Seaboat quality(Average = 1.00): 1.04
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a ram bow and large transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.558
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.11 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 34.73 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 42.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 4.46 ft / 1.36 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00%,31.50 ft / 9.60 m,23.62 ft / 7.20 m
- Forward deck: 30.00%,23.62 ft / 7.20 m,19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Aft deck: 35.00%,19.69 ft / 6.00 m,19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00%,19.69 ft / 6.00 m,21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Average freeboard: 21.79 ft / 6.64 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 66.4%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 157.9%
Waterplane Area: 80,240 Square feet or 7,455 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 248 lbs/sq ft or 1,212 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.22
- Overall: 1.01
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
雪夜蓝狐 发表于 2012-12-15 15:16 static/image/common/back.gif
从炮塔看，4座MK7吨位=6832比3座B37的6981吨还轻。
不过150吨而已，问题不大。但是4个炮塔需要更长的舰体！更长的装甲带！更大的防护面积！这个考虑了吗？这可不是区区几百吨可以弥补的。 Henschel 发表于 2012-12-15 15:10 static/image/common/back.gif
弱，三座双联Mark A还差不多。
It was estimated that a three-gun turret fitted with the 18"/48 (45.7 cm) would have weighed about 3,000 tons (3,050 mt), which is over 40% heavier than the three-gun 16"/50 (40.6 cm) turrets that are carried by USS Iowa (BB-61).In addition, the barbettes and supporting framework would have been proportionally heavier, as well.From these figures, it can be seen that a battleship the size of USS Iowa (45,000 standard tons) would have been able to carry no more than five 18"/48 (45.7 cm) guns vs. the nine 16"/50 (40.6 cm) guns that she actually did carry. SUSTC-Reggie 发表于 2012-12-15 15:26 static/image/common/back.gif
It was estimated that a three-gun turret fitted with the 18"/48 (45.7 cm) would have weighed about ...
{:01:}唉。。。。
你挂段英文干嘛。。。。
据估算，一座三联装的18”/48 (45.7 cm)炮塔会重达约3,000 长吨 (3,050 公吨)，比衣阿华(BB-61)号的三联装16”/50 (40.6cm)炮塔重40%。此外，炮塔座和其支撑结构（译注：炮塔围井）也会成比例地加重，通过这些数据很容易就可以看出，一条衣阿华（45,000吨标排）号大小的战列舰能够装备的18”/48 (45.7 cm)炮不会超过5门，而实际上她能装备9门16”/50 (40.6cm)炮。 Henschel 发表于 2012-12-15 15:29 static/image/common/back.gif
唉。。。。
你挂段英文干嘛。。。。
然后脑补下55000吨能不能装进9门{:17:} 动感炮神 发表于 2012-12-15 15:19 static/image/common/back.gif
三座四联B-37
额，我想这可能是我的表达错误。55000吨是"标准排水量"，即standard 55000tons，不是light 55000tons{:78:} 本帖最后由 Henschel 于 2012-12-15 15:40 编辑
SUSTC-Reggie 发表于 2012-12-15 15:32 static/image/common/back.gif
然后脑补下55000吨能不能装进9门
字都没看清楚就开始打脸了。。。。